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5/06/2014 3:06 pm  #1


***HALL OF X ROUND 2***

Here is round 2 of our stackup..Once again we are putting together the best of the best in the breed..Our choices for this round are:

Studebaker vs Fifty

This is an eye candy vote..Feel free to share your thoughts during voting..

In your opinion who gets the vote? and why?

Studebaker 
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l264/barbiej64/1526320_795979107082104_436510676_n.jpg


Fifty
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l264/barbiej64/MegabullsFiftyofFastlane.jpg



 


Studebaker or Fifty






Uncle Ish

"Your humble servant"
 

5/06/2014 3:26 pm  #2


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This is EASY.  I have seen Studebaker.  IMO he is better structured, better breather, and has a great temperament.  I have also heard that 50 has an amazing temperament as well. 


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5/06/2014 4:57 pm  #3


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Fifty has pretty jacked rear end, while Studebaker has a decent one. They both have good muscle and big domes. I like Fifty's paint job more, but I can't abide a messed up rear. 

 

5/06/2014 6:01 pm  #4


Re: ***HALL OF X ROUND 2***

This one is hard also... I love em both... but I go with 50 by a nose... I think I have seen 50 out produce himself in the male department more readily... Baker throws down some awesome females and maybe the males are out there but I havent seen em promoted... but 50 has a dozen or more sons equal or better... but both leave there mark on there offspring...


Uncle Ish

"Your humble servant"
     Thread Starter
 

5/06/2014 6:11 pm  #5


Re: ***HALL OF X ROUND 2***

I gotta go with stude....think he breaths cleaner.like his drive .n seems to throw these traits to his o ffsprings...XII XIX

Last edited by Irongrid (5/06/2014 6:12 pm)


LET THEM HATE SO LONG AS THEY FEAR

"We are all attracted by short-cuts, quick fixes and easy solutions.But character takes time to shape and build."
 

5/06/2014 6:26 pm  #6


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Hard to compare Stude's productions with a dog like 50 who has been bred over 100 times.  Fifty should have more quality offspring, but what I think would be more important would be the % of quality offspring.  Studebaker would probably only need about 10 quality offspring, and Fifty would need 100 just to have the same %. 


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5/06/2014 6:51 pm  #7


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Baker is my boy... but he should have a couple studs already like wb does... I would venture to say he may have been bred more than wb... I look for males that throw males... It seems harder to produce a trophy male... again maybe those baker boys are hidden???

Last edited by Uncle Ish (5/06/2014 6:56 pm)


Uncle Ish

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5/06/2014 8:46 pm  #8


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BOTH are very nice dogs BUT.....this is a vote on JUST LOOKS and I think that fifty is just MILES away from studabaker.....


I'D RATHER DIE LIKE A MAN THAN LIVE LIKE A COWARD.....
 

5/06/2014 8:58 pm  #9


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Uncle Ish wrote:

Baker is my boy... but he should have a couple studs already like wb does... I would venture to say he may have been bred more than wb... I look for males that throw males... It seems harder to produce a trophy male... again maybe those baker boys are hidden???

 
I agree with you on this point. Only bad sass male out of stude I know is caffreys outlaw saw him in person he was thick as a brick front to back.

Fifty has a ton of decent to good/great males out there, some better than him. Scar face for example.

 

5/06/2014 9:00 pm  #10


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SHOW BOUND BULLIES wrote:

BOTH are very nice dogs BUT.....this is a vote on JUST LOOKS and I think that fifty is just MILES away from studabaker.....

 
What is it you like more, head shape, color, ear set?  I think fifty wins on that, but front to back I think stude wins.

 

5/06/2014 9:09 pm  #11


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Ranovr32 wrote:

SHOW BOUND BULLIES wrote:

BOTH are very nice dogs BUT.....this is a vote on JUST LOOKS and I think that fifty is just MILES away from studabaker.....

 
What is it you like more, head shape, color, ear set?  I think fifty wins on that, but front to back I think stude wins.

 
you know looking at them both I would feed any of them.......for me I like fifty's over all head piece and body.........his ear set is perfect to me......his front end is awesome though I will say that I dislike red noses a lot.....I just like the black FULL pigment over the red. fifty in MY OPINION has a hell of a lot more WOW FACTOR than studabaker. his stare and intense look really is much more impressive than studabaker. ive never seen these dogs in pesron though so I might change opinions in the flesh. studabaker's paint is the paint I like the least in dogs.however he does look VERY impressive and I think hes a beauty.......but if its cosmetics and all I got are pics then in MY opinion its not even close.....fifty wins EASY....


I'D RATHER DIE LIKE A MAN THAN LIVE LIKE A COWARD.....
 

5/06/2014 9:26 pm  #12


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50'S Type Does It For Me. He Just Shines In Type Period In My Eyes. The Head Type, Nice, Flat Top Head. The Girth To His Muzzle, Doesn't Seem To Taper As Much As Studes. I Just Like It Better. I'm Not Big On The basketball Type Head, Personally. It's Not "Classic" IMO. I Like 50'S Shoulder Set And Chest Better. He Also Has A Nicer Tuck IMO. I'm Only Comparing THESE TWO pictures So I Can't Say Much About Their Rears


”Heaven is by favor; if it were by merit, your dog would go in and you would stay out.” ~ Mark Twain~
 

5/07/2014 1:33 am  #13


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Well, obviously my opinion is biased... I think Fifty has a better front. Studebaker has a better rear, he breathes much cleaner, and personally I prefer his "flash." ;) Both seem to produce a consistent type. I prefer quality over quantity... For the number of offspring that both have produced, I believe that Studebaker has a higher percentage of health tested, titled offspring.

Here are some facts that I can add to the speculation above. Studebaker has sired pups FOURTEEN times, producing FIFTY FOUR live offspring. (He will be five years old in July.)

He has produced a higher percentage of females than males.. Females that are BETTER than many so-called "stud dogs." He does have some very nice sons out there.. Hummer (Lil Red) was very nice (RIP-drowned in a pool.) IRoc (Lil Red,) Outlaw (Tishop,) Captain Jack (Midori,) Hennessy (Jungle, ) Boss (Midori) ... (Plus several youngsters that most haven't seen.) My goal is to produce nice offspring, regardless of sex- and quite honestly, I would prefer a higher percentage of females. How many males does one person really need?

I know that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it is an honor to have Studebaker compared to a male held in such high regard. Hopefully both will have made a positive mark on this breed when their time comes to an end.

Last edited by SIMPLYINCREDABULL (5/07/2014 1:34 am)


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5/07/2014 1:38 am  #14


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Uncle Ish wrote:

This one is hard also... I love em both... but I go with 50 by a nose... I think I have seen 50 out produce himself in the male department more readily... Baker throws down some awesome females and maybe the males are out there but I havent seen em promoted... but 50 has a dozen or more sons equal or better... but both leave there mark on there offspring...

 

Several years ago I heard mentioned that Theo was said to have commented that Fifty had over 300 offspring. That was 2-3 years ago, so I cannot imagine what the number would be now. Studebaker has 54 offspring.


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5/07/2014 8:25 am  #15


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Uncle Ish wrote:

Baker is my boy... but he should have a couple studs already like wb does... I would venture to say he may have been bred more than wb... I look for males that throw males... It seems harder to produce a trophy male... again maybe those baker boys are hidden???

 
Both are very nice dogs and bring unique qualities to the table. I thought the males that Fast lane produced with Studebaker were as nice as any bodies males. Can't remember the females name.


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5/07/2014 8:34 am  #16


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I have messed with either dog in person, but I've watched the Video Troy put up on Fifty that shows his Chainsaw breathing just standing in a courtyard, and I've seen SB in person on a warn day and he wasn't breathing like that so based on that I'd give it to him.....I think they are very similar dogs , Fifty seems bigger with more leg, and his rear conformation is not as good, his height is cooler  IMO both have similar head, Both have Muzzle right under the Standard. They both tend to be a bit to extreme, in Bully Type.....I know newbies love that but it comes with draw back that have long time detriment to the breed.

I'd love to see them bred to some Straight Performance Standard Bitches and worked around that to refine their types towards a healthier type......The Best dog I've ever seen off Fifty was Gi Gi, who is off a Konfederate Kennel Performance Standard bitch


Love off
 

5/07/2014 1:02 pm  #17


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Look at this bitch off Fifty bred to a Konfederate Kennels Performance Standard AB.......this bitch could lift that blood up to a new level of Health, and Function........

I think the same could be done with SB line breed a 5/8th - 3/4 blend of these extreme studs I think you'd see a quality of Bully never seen before.

Instead all I ever see people do is the exact same breedings with the exact same results, no real imnprovement.  If several breeders would just experiment with breedings of this type within 3-4 generations I think you'd see the Bully ABs lifted out a lot of the problems and short comings  they have

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/DSC_2148.jpg


She is out of Megabulls Fifty x Konfederate's Naomi.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi25.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi22.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi28-1.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi17.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi406-01_zps41ca4f57.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi306-01_zps779bc319.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/20130106_113143_zps7e33d5cc.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/20130106_113130_zpsa8efd176.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/20130106_113114_zps11f5b9d3.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/DSC_1662_zps57f7a70e.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/DSC_1649_zpsbb107ef0.jpg




 


Love off
 

5/07/2014 2:22 pm  #18


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Imo stude is just one of those dogs that makes your muzzle campain look foolish stated that breeding for a muzzle well improve on the health of such a dog is foolish..imo does he not breath just as clean as a standard? Does he not have multiple health test ? Is his drive as well as his temp.not something u would strive for...  this is not a debate about Gigi.she's a good looking animal...but rather the two dogs at had.imo...


LET THEM HATE SO LONG AS THEY FEAR

"We are all attracted by short-cuts, quick fixes and easy solutions.But character takes time to shape and build."
 

5/07/2014 2:23 pm  #19


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Color aside...she doesn't even really look like a standard AB. That dog is beautiful and I would feed her, but at best she looks like she may have AB blood at worst she looks like a great pit.

I agree people should outcross and if Naomi isn't the finished product but a tool on the way there I am all for it. But might as well be a different breed if you expect people to consider that an AB. It's all bulldog no disagreement there. But that is like a 4 inch muzzle, different head set, different head shape, curious what the bite would be.

BHB wrote:

Look at this bitch off Fifty bred to a Konfederate Kennels Performance Standard AB.......this bitch could lift that blood up to a new level of Health, and Function........

I think the same could be done with SB line breed a 5/8th - 3/4 blend of these extreme studs I think you'd see a quality of Bully never seen before.

Instead all I ever see people do is the exact same breedings with the exact same results, no real imnprovement.  If several breeders would just experiment with breedings of this type within 3-4 generations I think you'd see the Bully ABs lifted out a lot of the problems and short comings  they have

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/DSC_2148.jpg


She is out of Megabulls Fifty x Konfederate's Naomi.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi25.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi22.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi28-1.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi17.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi406-01_zps41ca4f57.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi306-01_zps779bc319.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/20130106_113143_zps7e33d5cc.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/20130106_113130_zpsa8efd176.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/20130106_113114_zps11f5b9d3.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/DSC_1662_zps57f7a70e.jpg


http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/DSC_1649_zpsbb107ef0.jpg




 

 

 

5/07/2014 3:04 pm  #20


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Irongrid wrote:

Imo stude is just one of those dogs that makes your muzzle campain look foolish stated that breeding for a muzzle well improve on the health of such a dog is foolish..imo does he not breath just as clean as a standard? Does he not have multiple health test ? Is his drive as well as his temp.not something u would strive for... this is not a debate about Gigi.she's a good looking animal...but rather the two dogs at had.imo...

You are talking about Studebaker? 

Are you saying Studebaker breaths as clean as a Standard AB?

Have you ever seen him in person and worked him in what way to maske these claims?

 


Love off
 

5/07/2014 3:11 pm  #21


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BHB wrote:

Irongrid wrote:

Imo stude is just one of those dogs that makes your muzzle campain look foolish stated that breeding for a muzzle well improve on the health oYuri pf such a dog is foolish..imo does he not breath just as clean as a standard? Does he not have multiple health test ? Is his drive as well as his temp.not something u would strive for... this is not a debate about Gigi.she's a good looking animal...but rather the two dogs at had.imo...

You are talking about Studebaker? 

Are you saying Studebaker breaths as clean as a Standard AB?

Have you ever seen him in person and worked him in what way to maske these claims?

 

 
Yes I have seen him in person...that would be a ? For his owner but wat i have seen yes.....imo he is a good tool....i also have his inbreed daughter that was my main reason for gettin her ...she keeps up with my standard dogs ;)thats y i have no problem making such a claim like i said he is one of those many dogss that make ur compliant.. look foolish ....he is not perfect by any means but I dont really think there is such a thing...XII XIX

Last edited by Irongrid (5/07/2014 3:19 pm)


LET THEM HATE SO LONG AS THEY FEAR

"We are all attracted by short-cuts, quick fixes and easy solutions.But character takes time to shape and build."
 

5/07/2014 3:20 pm  #22


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Ranovr32 wrote:

Color aside...she doesn't even really look like a standard AB. That dog is beautiful and I would feed her, but at best she looks like she may have AB blood at worst she looks like a great pit.

I agree people should outcross and if Naomi isn't the finished product but a tool on the way there I am all for it. But might as well be a different breed if you expect people to consider that an AB. It's all bulldog no disagreement there. But that is like a 4 inch muzzle, different head set, different head shape, curious what the bite would be.

BHB wrote:

Look at this bitch off Fifty bred to a Konfederate Kennels Performance Standard AB.......this bitch could lift that blood up to a new level of Health, and Function........

I think the same could be done with SB line breed a 5/8th - 3/4 blend of these extreme studs I think you'd see a quality of Bully never seen before.

Instead all I ever see people do is the exact same breedings with the exact same results, no real imnprovement.  If several breeders would just experiment with breedings of this type within 3-4 generations I think you'd see the Bully ABs lifted out a lot of the problems and short comings  they have

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/DSC_2148.jpg


She is out of Megabulls Fifty x Konfederate's Naomi.



http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi22.jpg




http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/Hugovandebunte/Gigi17.jpg

















 

 

She is half Extreme Bully AB, Half Extreme Standard AB...

4in muzzle ????not way at best that is 3-3,5in muzzle. but the point is not her muzzle, the point is all the ways she is physically superior and how bred back to Fifty blood she could improve the bully AB.





http://cdn1.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/1938617.jpg

 





http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/1895462.jpg


Love off
 

5/07/2014 3:28 pm  #23


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Irongrid wrote:

BHB wrote:

Irongrid wrote:

Imo stude is just one of those dogs that makes your muzzle campain look foolish stated that breeding for a muzzle well improve on the health oYuri pf such a dog is foolish..imo does he not breath just as clean as a standard? Does he not have multiple health test ? Is his drive as well as his temp.not something u would strive for... this is not a debate about Gigi.she's a good looking animal...but rather the two dogs at had.imo...

You are talking about Studebaker? 

Are you saying Studebaker breaths as clean as a Standard AB?

Have you ever seen him in person and worked him in what way to maske these claims?

 

 
Yes I have seen him in person...that would be a ? For his owner but wat i have seen yes.....imo he is a good tool....i also have his inbreed daughter that was my main reason for gettin her ...she keeps up with my standard dogs ;)thats y i have no problem making such a claim like i said he is one of those many dogss that make ur compliant.. look foolish ....he is not perfect by any means but I dont really think there is such a thing...XII XIX

She keeps up with your standard dogs, lets see your standard dogs and lets see her?

What does she keep up with them at?

Hang time, 6 mile run, sport work, hog catching ?????
 


Love off
 

5/07/2014 3:43 pm  #24


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1/I dont feel the need I should run a dog 6 to 12 miles. I own a car....2/ excalibur will hang for 20-30min maybe u should get out more.n has a one inch muzzle..3/I dont think anyone would spend a couple of stacks to see the dog get tore up in the woods its just reality of it.n4/idol does quite well at sport work but for the moment we r takin some time offffff... tony likes her drive...Henry etc....my trainers etc..so to to be honest ur opion doesnt affect mine lol..as far as seeing my dog u will in due time no hurryi dont need to hype up a dog I ain't selling nothing.lol..but maybe u should open ur eyes.XII XIX

Last edited by Irongrid (5/07/2014 4:11 pm)


LET THEM HATE SO LONG AS THEY FEAR

"We are all attracted by short-cuts, quick fixes and easy solutions.But character takes time to shape and build."
 

5/07/2014 3:45 pm  #25


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U NEVER DID ANSWER MY ? WHEN U CAME TO MIAMI HOW MANY DOGS DID U SEE STROKING OUT OR HAD TO BE HOSED DOWN?


LET THEM HATE SO LONG AS THEY FEAR

"We are all attracted by short-cuts, quick fixes and easy solutions.But character takes time to shape and build."
 

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