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5/29/2015 2:26 pm  #1


It's going down......

These two will be bred in 6 moths. Male on left is 6 months old and female 12 months old now.
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5/29/2015 6:19 pm  #2


Re: It's going down......

You sticking to oldies???


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5/30/2015 7:53 am  #3


Re: It's going down......

Uncle Ish wrote:

You sticking to oldies???

 No, these are the only 2 oldes I have of 15 dogs. This really has nothing to do with my breeding plans. A good friend had to put down his boxer and wants a bulldog, plus I'd keep a cleaner male. Color alone should make this worth doing, haha. After this they'll be bred to my terriers.


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5/30/2015 12:08 pm  #4


Re: It's going down......

why ???? why not try craigslist , or i'm sure there is a rescue in your vicinity ????

 

5/30/2015 3:11 pm  #5


Re: It's going down......

me wrote:

why ???? why not try craigslist , or i'm sure there is a rescue in your vicinity ????

 Same reason you didn't.


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5/30/2015 5:06 pm  #6


Re: It's going down......

NoStopABTs wrote:

me wrote:

why ???? why not try craigslist , or i'm sure there is a rescue in your vicinity ????

 Same reason you didn't.

well , while the reason probably does share some similiarities , i think the respect i have for the dogs is very different than yours . my purpose has been for folks to see ddb that weren't disabled health wrecks , dogues that were athletic , energetic beautiful animals that functioned like an animal should , not a crippled monstrosity ,  and thereby influence that direction in the dogue de bordeaux  breed ..............i've had about 60 pups in the last 23yrs , about 3 pups a year , about 15 of which i kept or am keeping for their entire lives ...... then there is the difference in where those pups went , and what happened to yours vs what happened to mine  .........   i have less reason too get a dogs from the rescue ...... i'm guessing you contribute to the problem the rescues face , hell my dogs live about 10yrs , i have to guess them terriers should be living close to 14yrs ????????? how many old dogs you got , 10+yrs ??????????? our purposes and methods have more differences than similiarities . tell your buddy to rescue a bulldog , and grow the two you got there before dumping them for another one ....

 

5/30/2015 5:34 pm  #7


Re: It's going down......

ME is your program recognized within the DDB community??? I would think people would be interested in your breedings...


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5/30/2015 6:18 pm  #8


Re: It's going down......

Nostopabt's I hope you take this more as guidance then lecturing. I agree with me on this. Your breeding pair is very young.

A male at 6 months hasn't even begun to separate itself in its breed to establish if it should be tried as a stud dog. I would highly suggest you take a few steps back and re-think your perameters in choosing a stud dog. Maybe look at the goals you are trying to establish with a breeding based upon the ultimate goal in your program.

Now a 12 month old female IMO is too young as well. Though I bet there are many that may debate this. Again I would look at your selection process in achieving set goals. What it is you are looking at to establish a quality line/program.

This is not pertaining directly to you, but many in this breed and breeds like it. Believe they need generations to establish credibility. Now this may prove something to the internet warriors in this breed, but those with a proven quality line really could care less. You are only as good as your last few litters after they have reached maturity. Now I am not talking about some cute puppy or year old dog, but those under 5 years. If I am looking at a program outside of mine, first my biggest concern is individual dogs, but after that I want to see consistency. Owning 10+ dogs does not impress me, usually it does the opposite. I would want to know what are you doing with each dog and how it benefts your program. A pedigree or a look is nice, but unless you are doing something with each dog you truly will never know its true strengths and weaknesses.

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5/30/2015 7:59 pm  #9


Re: It's going down......

Uncle Ish wrote:

ME is your program recognized within the DDB community??? I would think people would be interested in your breedings...

i would say definitely not ....i don't even know who the ddb community is ..... but folks that have seen my dogues , and that's a lot of folks , have seen they don't have to be allergy riddled , disabled waddling lumps of skin with handicapped stickers in the window  .......... find pics of what they think are  the best ddb bitches in the world and compare them to my bitch mouse , she functioned better than she looked ..........the folks that matter ,  i know and they know me ....... i've seen what they think is the best , the bar needs raised , i may not be done yet  ........ 
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5/31/2015 5:40 am  #10


Re: It's going down......

Uncle Ish wrote:

ME is your program recognized within the DDB community??? I would think people would be interested in your breedings...

 
Of course not he just talks.


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5/31/2015 5:43 am  #11


Re: It's going down......

Marcelnorcalsbulldogs wrote:

Nostopabt's I hope you take this more as guidance then lecturing. I agree with me on this. Your breeding pair is very young.

A male at 6 months hasn't even begun to separate itself in its breed to establish if it should be tried as a stud dog. I would highly suggest you take a few steps back and re-think your perameters in choosing a stud dog. Maybe look at the goals you are trying to establish with a breeding based upon the ultimate goal in your program.

Now a 12 month old female IMO is too young as well. Though I bet there are many that may debate this. Again I would look at your selection process in achieving set goals. What it is you are looking at to establish a quality line/program.

This is not pertaining directly to you, but many in this breed and breeds like it. Believe they need generations to establish credibility. Now this may prove something to the internet warriors in this breed, but those with a proven quality line really could care less. You are only as good as your last few litters after they have reached maturity. Now I am not talking about some cute puppy or year old dog, but those under 5 years. If I am looking at a program outside of mine, first my biggest concern is individual dogs, but after that I want to see consistency. Owning 10+ dogs does not impress me, usually it does the opposite. I would want to know what are you doing with each dog and how it benefts your program. A pedigree or a look is nice, but unless you are doing something with each dog you truly will never know its true strengths and weaknesses.

 The goal is color. I'll sale the Merles for $2,500 and donate $10 from each one to a local rescue.

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5/31/2015 5:48 am  #12


Re: It's going down......

me wrote:

NoStopABTs wrote:

me wrote:

why ???? why not try craigslist , or i'm sure there is a rescue in your vicinity ????

 Same reason you didn't.

well , while the reason probably does share some similiarities , i think the respect i have for the dogs is very different than yours . my purpose has been for folks to see ddb that weren't disabled health wrecks , dogues that were athletic , energetic beautiful animals that functioned like an animal should , not a crippled monstrosity ,  and thereby influence that direction in the dogue de bordeaux  breed ..............i've had about 60 pups in the last 23yrs , about 3 pups a year , about 15 of which i kept or am keeping for their entire lives ...... then there is the difference in where those pups went , and what happened to yours vs what happened to mine  .........   i have less reason too get a dogs from the rescue ...... i'm guessing you contribute to the problem the rescues face , hell my dogs live about 10yrs , i have to guess them terriers should be living close to 14yrs ????????? how many old dogs you got , 10+yrs ??????????? our purposes and methods have more differences than similiarities . tell your buddy to rescue a bulldog , and grow the two you got there before dumping them for another one ....

 
My main bitch is 7 or 8 that's Vannessa. But who cares. I think you should focus your charities towards the Shih Tzu that breed really sucks. This is a color breeding.

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5/31/2015 6:08 am  #13


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me wrote:

Uncle Ish wrote:

ME is your program recognized within the DDB community??? I would think people would be interested in your breedings...

i would say definitely not ....i don't even know who the ddb community is ..... but folks that have seen my dogues , and that's a lot of folks , have seen they don't have to be allergy riddled , disabled waddling lumps of skin with handicapped stickers in the window  .......... find pics of what they think are  the best ddb bitches in the world and compare them to my bitch mouse , she functioned better than she looked ..........the folks that matter ,  i know and they know me ....... i've seen what they think is the best , the bar needs raised , i may not be done yet  ........ 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/banda_doc/101.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/banda_doc/Picture4554a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/banda_doc/mouse/Picture4320a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/banda_doc/mouse/Picture4352.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/banda_doc/the%20mouse/Picture4349a.jpg

 

 
Nice nares, Sherlock.


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5/31/2015 7:59 am  #14


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NoStopABTs wrote:

Nice nares, Sherlock.

well watson , she had more endurance than any dog i've ever had .........she took the heat as good as , i take that back , better than any dog i ever had ...... that's what mattered to me , not what i thought of her nares , live and learn  ..... best dog i may ever have had ......one of the best ddb bitches i've ever seen , damn near flawless ......


if your not taking the time to clean the Shizzy out the pen , how much attention are those dogs getting ?????
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and these were/are all mine , she had more endurance than all of them , it's why i liked her the best

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5/31/2015 8:37 am  #15


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NoStopABTs wrote:

Uncle Ish wrote:

ME is your program recognized within the DDB community??? I would think people would be interested in your breedings...

 
Of course not he just talks.

if selling dogues was my thing i guarantee you i'd do better at it than 98% of the yahoo's/kennels  out there ...........but  i got too much integrity and respect for the dogs  , i lose my ass on a small scale , i'd go bankrupt if i bred anymore than i have ............. i believe you like the dogs , but me and you are miles apart on the reason we do this ......."just talks"  well i guess that'd be one of our similiarities ????
 

 

5/31/2015 9:18 am  #16


Re: It's going down......

me wrote:

NoStopABTs wrote:

Uncle Ish wrote:

ME is your program recognized within the DDB community??? I would think people would be interested in your breedings...

 
Of course not he just talks.

if selling dogues was my thing i guarantee you i'd do better at it than 98% of the yahoo's/kennels  out there ...........but  i got too much integrity and respect for the dogs  , i lose my ass on a small scale , i'd go bankrupt if i bred anymore than i have ............. i believe you like the dogs , but me and you are miles apart on the reason we do this ......."just talks"  well i guess that'd be one of our similiarities ????
 

 
Right on Mark. Yeah I'm not in it for the cash either or I'd just do breedings like this one all the time. Hey you just reminded me of this song I like.


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6/01/2015 6:59 am  #17


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Mark that's an awesome looking girl... If anyone has been around mastiff breeds many come cow hocked, splay footed, low in the pasterns and straight stifled right out of the box...


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