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1/11/2011 9:09 pm  #26


Re: KIRA AB`s ON THE HOT SEAT... "GENERATION NEXT"...ITS SHOW TIME!!!

older as in experience. they've been in the ring more than 3 times in the last 3 yrs. he's only been in the ring 3 times total


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1/11/2011 9:38 pm  #27


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So the other dogs are more experienced granted. But as far as structure, conformation, or anything else that a judge would look for, do you think that Thug compares?


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1/11/2011 10:38 pm  #28


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I believe he will and does but maturity plays a big roll. I don't know if you have bred any dogs but certain dogs mature slowly. That's the case with the blood i have been using. Thug is immature and still acts like a pup and looks like one too. So what i meant is that he's a boy while those other dogs are men. I'm going to show you by pictures...So look at Bill and Mugsy...

Bill at 2 yrs of age...never been bred here

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Here he is at 3yrs and has been bred one time

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This is Mugsy at about a yr.

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Mugsy at 4yrs

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Here's thug at  1 yr

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Here's thug at 2 n half, this is what Glynn evaluated, I took this picture outside the show arena

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He beat more than 1 dog. He beat the Bully females and the standard males and females. I believe because he moved better than them.

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1/12/2011 7:17 pm  #29


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1. Do you think going to a show and placing against mediocre dogs is a great win?

2. Which kennels do you think are a force to be reckoned with in the show ring?

3. Which studs do you want to use in your program?

4. Which studs do u think are running the game production wise? Im not talking talking about dogs producing cute pups.

5. Which kennels do you think are making or are going to make an impact in the American Bulldog world?

6. I understand you go to a vet to let him read your X-rays. Why not spend the PennHip money and get your dogs checked professionally? Also penn hip ranks dogs to other dogs in the breed but the numbers are not. The numbers are specific to the dog in question.

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1/12/2011 10:03 pm  #30


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1)I haven't been to any shows where there have been mediocre dogs. The dogs have been good dogs, what I hear about my dog is that his movement is awesome. That has nothing to do wih the competition only that my dog moves better than theirs. I go to the shows to hear what the judge has to say about my dog not to call other peoples dog mediocre or of less quality than mine. that's the difference between me and alot of people....I don't go to come back and say na na na your dog is Shizzy and mine is the best thing since sliced bread. Its all about the judges. Greg Souza judged Jane when she was 3 months and put her above dogs that were a year old because he liked the way she moved. When he was judgeing he asked if I would consider selling her to him cause he would be proud to own her....he didn't say the other dogs were mediocre, he said she has awesome movement just like Glynn said about her son Thug.

2)I'm going to mention the people that I see at the shows I have been to which are Steve and Polly(kennel name?)....Byron "Spikes"(kennel name?)...TNT kennel....Whitey's kennel and of course Roots, Rick Shaw's Kennel for sure one of the tops.

3)I want to use Jaqc, because he has that muscle and that temperament that I like. I like the looks of Big Lou's boy Red Bull from Triple K.

4) and 5)Braveheart is the top kennel period....no ifs ands or buts. Vito knows his blood like no other breeder does. When you got it like that you are always going to be top dog. So I'll say Jaqc coming from Braveheart and the male that Joe O'sullivan owns that is also a BH male: Roots is by far second to me, I like Rick shaws dogs though and I can say that cause I seen them in person. Torque coming from Roots. Again I don't remember dogs names or kennels very well.

6)I already answered that one. When I get a stud or bitch that is perfect to me out of what I produce and that I want to keep as 100% brood stock then I'll do it. But because someone asked to use Thug this year I'm going to have him done.

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1/13/2011 2:24 pm  #31


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And you know what else Rico, I wanna know what fukin shows that you have been to and that I have been to that you can say that the dogs are mediocre?? Were you present at any of these: The  Arkansas Rumble, the Chitown Cooldown or the SS Spectacular??


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1/13/2011 2:55 pm  #32


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SusanG wrote:

And you know what else Rico, I wanna know what fukin shows that you have been to and that I have been to that you can say that the dogs are mediocre?? Were you present at any of these: The  Arkansas Rumble, the Chitown Cooldown or the SS Spectacular??

To be honest this is your HOT seat! Do not get angry! The questions are meant to be answered. You are asking me questions on your HOT SEAT and are coming off very childish with the cursing. Thats why ppl respond to you the way they do, really.
    Here is your answer-  I never said the shows you went to had mediocre dogs. It was a question not a statement!!!!!!!
                  I went to Rays show in Chicago the battle of the bulls, joses show, the myrtle beach show, the tennessee show, beast of the east and Im going to hit several this year.  When I dont see competition and I win I dont feel great, I feel good. If I beat kennels that always win shows I feel like my win is greater. Im talking about real competition like steve and polly, Bully Rascaz, Cold country, Roots, etc... Kennels that win shows. If you win against a few unknown dogs, big woopie. What does that mean to you? You cant brag on that. Its like going to the special olympics and out running them. Ill be in St. Louis in october! If your dogs place there then you did something.

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1/13/2011 4:23 pm  #33


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So tell me what shows have you been to that have had mediocre dogs?? cause you haven't been to not one show that I have been at and I been to about ten or more. I seen Jose at the shows, I don't show to him cause he doesn't judge on standards but by personal preference. I go to shows that have reputable judges like Scott, Leist, Souza, Vaughn, Neal, Mancera and I don't waste my time showing to dog pimps.

Ray had like 10 shows already..... I been to two of his and I decided a long time ago that I'm not giving him not another dime of my money. All those people you mentioned been to shows that i have been to and i know them(who do you think took the picture Thug with me in it(Polly), and who is that in the back ground??(Byron with his male and guess who else was in that ring?(Troy) the only big mouth saying that they got mediocre dogs is you and i haven't seen you at not one show that we have been to. So keep talking about shiit you know nothing about. Take 95 dollars and get an x-ray....

You think i give a rats ass how people perceive me, that's for you all to worry about what other people think...I'm always gonna be me....if you don't like it well that too bad for you, I don't give a love. Another thing you got nerves asking me about pennhip when you say its a waste of time and money....at least i get them checked and tell us what you do....I can tell you...... nothing....you breed untested dogs period.
I got a stack of X-rays that i can slap your ass with. I dogs x-rays that aren't even my dogs.

My dogs are NCL clear why do you think?? cause i guess they are, NO because they were tested for it...you goofy. They're gonna be tested for the Ich too. I put money into mine, I don't squeeze it out of them or drug people with them, or say I got the best shiit, or hype the shiit outta them to make money.

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1/13/2011 8:44 pm  #34


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You know what susan. I give up! I posted questions for you to answer. This is your Hot Seat! Im not answering questions or getting in a back and forth. I will see you in the ring.

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1/14/2011 11:09 am  #35


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I have been brought here by the Many emails & Phone calls to help Clarify a few questions pertaining to this subject & my name being brought up.

I received a call from Susan & Shawn on a breeding to there dog Kira, I told them to meet me at the training facility & to bring Hip Xray results showing the dog free of DJD, Susan told me she knew what I was talking about & that she had already spoken to another breeder (I don’t remember who it was).

We met & the had a Xray of a dogs hips, I am NOT a Hip Specialist & I told them I needed certified Xrays not a photo of hips.

I then received a call that the bitch was in heat & they had the Xrays, We met again & they brought me different Xrays but they also for some reason were not certified.

The dog looked & moved good & so I made the stupid decision to breed to the bitch based on that, I’m not going to lie Shawn was cool as ice, He worked with entertainers & had invited me to hang out with them from time to time such as PitBull etc. so I guess that helped my blindness… NO I never went with him, I’m married & spent the nights with my Wife & these were ONLY Guys NO females unless they were groupies, You know…. I do miss Shawn tho…

Back to the subject, for whatever reason bout a year or so after the litter Susan called to tell me & Show me Kira’s hips being DYSPLASTIC…… THE END!

I have a Question tho, Since this is the HOT SEAT…..
1st…
WHY would you knowingly breed FULL brother to Sister Kira offspring after knowing she was genetically Dysplastic? I say Genetic due to the fact that Kira your FOUNDATION was a house pet & never applied pressure that a True working dog applies to there joints.

2nd…
WHO Helped you bring out the BEST in your dogs Working & Conformation TITLES, I’m not talking about playing with them, I’m talking about Titles obtained & Earned in the publics eye?
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3rd…
What makes you think that you deserve the same credit that many Breeders who have & still can Prove there Working stock in a Public venue, anytime…? Especially after breeding full brother to full sister offspring of a FACT Genetic Dysplastic bitch your Foundation Kira?

Final…
I have heard from your $300 puppy buyers that you sold them puppies using my name, of course they have visited my website & told me what I already knew BUT WHY promote your dogs as being down from Barrera?  Thug is 75% Barrera, I am not promoting the dog he may be nice BUT FYI & You know this I CULL 100%er’s that I produce, it happens to the best of us.

NOTE: The BATTLE of the BULLS is a HUGE Successful event that brings out the BEST in the MidWest & beyond to Compete in Multiple Conformation & ALL Breed Working events, Its also Host to the Irondog Invitationals and at this moment in time I am INVITING you and your dog to come out & Compete in a Public Venue against the many dogs you have downed FREE of charge to you so you do not have to give us any of your money.  I will keep a separate Scoring chart in Public view of the event JUST for you to prove a point… Conformation & 3 Working events Weight Pull, Triathlon, Pentathlon, Hard Hit, Esquieve, HangTime, PSA, NWDA etc… & we can let YOU decide what 3 events you want………

You all have a Great Day, I have to get back to work now.

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1/14/2011 1:23 pm  #36


Re: KIRA AB`s ON THE HOT SEAT... "GENERATION NEXT"...ITS SHOW TIME!!!

Ray_Barrera wrote:

I have been brought here by the Many emails & Phone calls to help Clarify a few questions pertaining to this subject & my name being brought up.

I received a call from Susan & Shawn on a breeding to there dog Kira, I told them to meet me at the training facility & to bring Hip Xray results showing the dog free of DJD, Susan told me she knew what I was talking about & that she had already spoken to another breeder (I don’t remember who it was).

We met & the had a Xray of a dogs hips, I am NOT a Hip Specialist & I told them I needed certified Xrays not a photo of hips.

I then received a call that the bitch was in heat & they had the Xrays, We met again & they brought me different Xrays but they also for some reason were not certified.

The dog looked & moved good & so I made the stupid decision to breed to the bitch based on that, I’m not going to lie Shawn was cool as ice, He worked with entertainers & had invited me to hang out with them from time to time such as PitBull etc. so I guess that helped my blindness… NO I never went with him, I’m married & spent the nights with my Wife & these were ONLY Guys NO females unless they were groupies, You know…. I do miss Shawn tho…

Back to the subject, for whatever reason bout a year or so after the litter Susan called to tell me & Show me Kira’s hips being DYSPLASTIC…… THE END!

I have a Question tho, Since this is the HOT SEAT…..
1s
WHY would you knowingly breed FULL brother to Sister Kira offspring after knowing she was genetically Dysplastic? I say Genetic due to the fact that Kira your FOUNDATION was a house pet & never applied pressure that a True working dog applies to there joints.

First off if this is not allowed moderator please remove.
But here's goes....from the outside looking in. I have to wonder why would someone such as yourself (Ray) breed to a dog without a hip cert if that is one of YOUR requirements? If this was something of importance to you why accept the uncert. x-rays? You knew Susan was a newbie and you being an experience dogman should have said sorry but without the required paperwork it's a no go! Yes, Khira is a nicely put together dog but since almost half of the ABs are stricken with CHD I can not in good conscience breed to your dog. Besides you already have the x-rays so put $40.00  with and send them in. But you didn't! instead you took her money and bred the dog. THIS IS WHY OUR BREED HAS SO MANY NEWBIES WITHOUT A CLUE! Because those that know better, don't do better...why? Short answer money!   Furthermore pot really shouldn't talk about and the kettle!  If you really felt this as above stated why did you agree to breed Carlito (who was himself un x-rayed) to Jane knowing her mother was dysplastic? And why when the two of you went to get Jane x-rayed (at Dr. Prince) did you decline Susan's offer to pay for Carlito's  x-rays? Who also came along for the ride.

I have saw the x-rays of her other dogs and they look good but without sending them in it's all speculative.  Another thing, you forgot to mention when you mentioned the $300.00 dogs that anyone who bought a pup from Susan are covered under a lifetime guarantee. How many breeders offer that? Do you? Furthermore how many will actually stand behind it?

I realize this is the hot seat and it sometimes gets heated but we all know most on here don't like Susan. Because of how she carries herself but I've known her for many years now and she is good people! She is a very generous person with a kind heart! Yes it's true.  So don't judge her too harshly especialy if you have never met her. Because you would be wrong in your assessment of her. Ok thats all from me.
I'm sure when she see this it's going to be on and poppin! Oh man ... the Kraken will have been loosed.

 

1/14/2011 2:03 pm  #37


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Funny Linda,
This is NOT about me & my name was brought into this, BUT I will answer you.

I have no idea who the hell doctor prince is 1st.

2nd. Like i said i made a stupid mistake by breeding to Kira, I wish she had sumone anyone elses dogs in her pedigree.

3rd NO ONE ever offered to get Carlitos hips xrayed cuz i sure as Shizzy would have taken anyone up on the offer, WHILE we are on the topic I do have dogs that are NOT hip xrayed, DO YOU or SUSAN Wanna pay to get them xrayed? They are available (my dogs).

allowing Susan to use carlitos was again a Friend thing & I have been over generous with her & her yard, she wanted to use him & I knew it would help her going forward.

I also got caught up in the Hype, When I 1st met with Shawn & Susan I dont even remember who the Entertainer was that the Van was all decorated in & when i heard about his job making sure the entertainers were Entertained shoot that was cool as hell......

Being invited to go hang out with Shawn & Pitbull was a single mans dream, I passed.. but yes I mesed up by allowing her to use my yard....

NOW I answered the questions asked by me via email, phone call & those funny text messages.

Linda keep doing what you are doing, I can honestly say I tip my hat to your for working your dogs, P.S. WHY were you trialing a dog for a WST instead of a BST? a WST is for dogs with Bad Hips or untested hips, What dog is that again?

You take care & get that dog hip xrayed.

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1/14/2011 2:48 pm  #38


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Ray_Barrera wrote:

Linda keep doing what you are doing, I can honestly say I tip my hat to your for working your dogs,

Why thank you Ray!

Ray_Barrera wrote:

P.S. WHY were you trialing a dog for a WST instead of a BST? a WST is for dogs with Bad Hips or untested hips, What dog is that again?

You take care & get that dog hip xrayed.

Ray Barrera

Cute ...funny you would mention  Rook's x-ray or lack there of  guess you were some where else when that was being discussed. Rook was pennhipped about 5-6 years ago and came back .50/.50 but is also dysplastic. Something I have never hidden and actually have chosen to make a mighty fine lemon aide with my lemon. So while your intent was to imply something else it backfired!  And here's why because I check all of my dogs whether they are to be used for breeding or not. And would never breed anything without first having a look see. To do otherwise is just plain foolhardy and naive.

 

1/14/2011 3:19 pm  #39


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Oh so bullshiit brings the bullshitter out..........you are just here to promote your all breed show that started off as an only american Bulldog show but turned into it being an all(pits, oldees, Abs, shorty bulls and anything else you can make some money off of) bully breed show cause no one was coming to your shows. You are all about making monay dude.....

Carlios X Jane You left him with me for 3 weeks  and you were paid for your services. So why is it that you are listed on the ABRA website as the breeder of my pups?? You put a note in my litter registration which i didn't see or know what it says or approve of, for what reason? I was shorted 2 puppy papers and those are the two that have you listed yourself as a breeder but it was not your breeding, I own the bitch i paid you money and i did the breeding and the pups were registered to me but you got them papered with yourself being added as the breeder and I kept your dog at my house for 3 weeks with without you providing food for him.  Originally I wanted to take Jane back to buster but You told me he was dead, so i asked if you had a buster son and you told me carlitos and it ended up that i paid more in stud service fees for carlitos that wasn't certified  not even X-rayed than I did for his father who according to you was certified. You have seen all my dogs Xrays...ALL OF THEM.....SO you can say that I do check them and you can say that they have good hips, I can't say the same about yours cause you never showed me jack shiit. That's the truth!! You don't get the last word here, this is my Hotseat!!!

I offered for you to have Carlitos X-rayed when we met at the Vet when you gave him to me to breed to, as you posted my uncertified dogs that you bred to not once but twice Kira bad hips and Jane good hips. Where were your requirements at then??. those breedings were 3 yrs apart so your requirements never changed in those 3 yrs and your requirements mean shiit to me. period....I showed you an X-ray at my house of Kira the first time you seen her was at my house, it was at night. You looked at the X-ray and then when she came in we met at Morgans. You took my dog home with you. About a year later I went to the Vet that you sent me to in Wisconsin Spring harbor....I showed you and everyone that results. I never tell or told anyone that she was good after i found out she has never been bred again....period!!! All along you been blocking me from getting my dogs papered thru the ABRA and the NKC....for what?? But guess what The abra is going to send me my shiit and you are not named as the breeder....The nkc are sending me my shiit no thanks to you so you get no credit for shiit when it comes to mine you just got my money which will never happen again..period!!

Breeding brother to sister that i can do as owner and breeder of both dogs being ok'd by Dr. Prince who you say you don't know, I'll give them away for free if I want to its none of your business.  You say you don't know Dr.Prince but for everyone else Ray's been taking his dogs to my vet since I told him about them and it been yrs now. Dr Faeh and Dr pullins work with Dr. prince, He's  their boss....you all can check the link to the website i posted. You took brooklyn to my vet when that breeding with her and Fass didn't take. My puppies have lifetime guarantees, everyone that buys from me has seen the Xrays and know exactly what they got cause they signed their signatures on the buyers contracts saying that they know exactly what they were getting. Even the ones I gave away have a lifetime and free x-ray....haha

You wanna talk about breeding shitters.....JugHead....bad temperament couldn't breathe for shiit....He almost died at practice cause his breathing tubes seized on him. he had to rush him to Morgans and hose him down and what worst is that it was not hot out and he bred him out to people knowing that the dog couldn't breathe. He had to replace pups from jughead litters with my pups cause the ones jughead was putting out had horrible temperaments, shall i go on?? my dogs have awesome temperaments you know this. did you tell enzo that jughead couldn't breathe. Did you require Enzo to get Dixie checked before you bred to her? I offered Enzo an Xray which he didn't do, at my expense. Jughead bit an old man at the CAL testing the Cane corso club had. The guy just petted him and Jughead drew blood from the old dude and then the old dude came by me and asked me if he could pet T-Bone and he did, T-Bone had a good temperament too.

He had all our dogs (club members) being trained by a heroine addict trainer. Todd Bartlestein the worst piece of shiit trainer got 16 stitches in his face from trying to work dogs while on heroine....he was as good as my x husband the crackhead who stole from me and his kids when I was away at a show in OHIO, smooth as ice YEAH RIGHT he was somking ice....LOL You just used all of us  in the club for what we had and who we knew or who you thought we knew. That's why everyone quit your club. You encouraged juan and mellissa to breed cain that had a Screwed up temperament the worst i have ever seen on any dog but not as bad as jug heads. Cain got put down because he had a tumor in his head....maybe that's why he was so Screwed up. The owners to that dog didn't like me much cause I would tell them not to breed their dog cause he had a fuked up temperament. He sold dysplastic shamrock to Nelson jr as an 100% johnson which he wasn't and when he found out that Nelson Jr didn't want the dog anymore he tried to buy him back for an outrageous amount because he knew that shamrock was dysplastic and he didn't want anyone to know about it coming from BlockBuster. I told Nelson jr about that dog when he was 8 months old cause I seen it in his gait and when I got him checked by dr prince he was in fact Dysplastic. Anyone can call there and they have shamrocks x-rays and he his dysplastic. I never bred that dog he can't barely move now unless he has the glucosamine....you think i'm finished....I gotta get my kids from school now but I'll be back for round two of the kettle and the pot....LOL

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1/14/2011 5:41 pm  #40


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Funny Shizzy, I don't argue with females Susan you know this, My name was tossed around & i answered the questions asked of me.

The more you tell your stories the more they will become true in your mind.

ALL the Club members are still around except you.

Jughead is & was my kinda dog all the way, You like him cool you don't cool. He worked down south, on hogs & was exceptional structuraly correct.... He never almost died in training, I had him in public working many times, he slammed into trucks RAM TUFF in arkansa protection tournament after spending a year away from me.

If Dr. Prince is of Elmhusrt then thats awesome cuz in my opinion Elmhurst is the BEST veterinary around the Chicago area BUT I have not met him in person doing any hips. If I have met him I didn't know who he was or still don't know who he is... ELMHURST VETERINARY IS THE BEST AROUND 4SURE!

Why would I go with you & Jane to get her hips xrayed? WTF? & I took carlitos along for the ride? TFF.

I don't care to spend my time browsing messageboards, I work for a living, I work hard to earn the money I make, You should try it some time..... I don't care to have my name on your Shizzy registrations, trust me... even tho it is 75% BARRERA LOL Thug (Hell No)....... for the record YOU wanted to breed to Buster, I NEVER said I was going to let you use him, Fact is before he died he was sold & ONLY flew into Chicago to be collected for A/I. I do have many straws of Buster on ICE STAY TUNED. 

MidWest K9, Your dogs have NEVER repeated what they accomplished under MidWest K9 with anyone else..... Juan & Melissa never bred Cain & for the record Juan owns 2 American Bulldogs from my stock... One of your $300 puppy buyers is also a MidWest K9 member & he NEVER heard of your Guarantee, never saw a Contract, Never knew of the Dysplastic Foundation you have.. Susan you are not a Member cuz we DONT want you as a member, Shoot you Freaked a couple of the guys out hitting on them telling them multiple times when you got divorced, LOL YEP THAT IS FACT & CAN BE VERIFIED!

Todd (lets not talk about him cuz he aint here to defend himself), I will say I have no idea bout his using anything other then what you also use, I told you many times that stuff was not good for you but you told me you had a habbit. remember don't throw stones when you live in a glass house...

7th Annual BATTLE of the BULLS multi-breed conformation, This is correct as the econmy got tough I notice MANY Bully breed owners have multi breeds & this was & still is the key to a great event, PLUS 3 Conformations in the SAME Day Saturday April 30th. www.Irondog.biz

For the Record, Last years BATTLE had prices NEVER heard of before, CHEAPEST Conformation entry fee anyplace, Discount for American Bulldogs who enter Conformation & Working events.

Making money off the events, I WISH but I will tell EVERYONE, I aint looking forward to loosing any money, thats completly stupid.... I HOPE ANYONE who Hosts an event that takes time & money does not take a huge loss, I'd wrather them profit from there hard laber...........

I didn't breed Shamrock, I got him as stud service & I sold him, IF the owner would have contacted me he would have gotten another dog on the Guarantee BUT i heard he was getting rid of the dog & I went to see what the deal was (You got a problem with a dog go back to the person who sold you the dog), I was told you were trying to get the dog TFF DESPERATE for the blood TFF.. ROTFLMMFAO funy thing is you got him and all excited, posted him on the boards & then had him xray only to find out he is dysplastic. IT HAPPENS TO EVERYONE Shizzy you produce Dysplastic dogs already & them shitters were put down...

FYI: I WILL be breeding my MegaBulls 50 Inbred Daughter Barrera's Mayhem to WTK's Monk, This is a Confirmed agreement I have with Patrick already & now lets get them website hits a crackin. LOL www.BarreraAmericanBulldogs.com 

You are avoiding the QUESTIONS NOW, No more responses outta me till you answer your Questions
:
I have a Question tho, Since this is the HOT SEAT…..
1st…
WHY would you knowingly breed FULL brother to Sister Kira offspring after knowing she was genetically Dysplastic? I say Genetic due to the fact that Kira your FOUNDATION was a house pet & never applied pressure that a True working dog applies to there joints.

2nd…
WHO Helped you bring out the BEST in your dogs Working & Conformation TITLES, I’m not talking about playing with them, I’m talking about Titles obtained & Earned in the publics eye?
http://www.midwestk-9.com/

3rd…
What makes you think that you deserve the same credit that many Breeders who have & still can Prove there Working stock in a Public venue, anytime…? Especially after breeding full brother to full sister offspring of a FACT Genetic Dysplastic bitch your Foundation Kira?


ALSO we have Terry from HKB's he is a Confirmed Judge for the BATTLE of the BULLS & we can bring in a Judge of your choice as part of the FREE Invitation fro you to bring your dog out & Compete against others in a Public venue in Multiple events.....


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1/14/2011 7:21 pm  #41


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I'm not arguing this Shizzy cause I been keeping it real and I been tellin the truth and I always will. Jughead bit an old dude at the cal testing i was present and standing right next to you, that dog had a fuked up temperament and you bred the Shizzy outta him. All what i said was true, anyone want the number to his buyers can call me (773)454-1217 and i will send you to that people that have bought dogs from him and that will tell you all the truth. They are disgusted with his business and they will tell you that when they had problems with their dogs(namely shamrock) he would not answer their calls so they would turn to me for help. They wanted to make me the president of the club cause he wasn't doing shiit for us but sending us off like lambs to slaughter and taking our money and having us train with the worst piece of shiit that he had on the Iron Dog website as a certified decoy. He had me paying this assshole 50-60 dollars a week to help me train my dogs but they were being trained wrong Bartlestein was telling us our dogs were ready to compete when they weren't even being trained properly that's why Kira got fuked up. When I told him we were quiting the club all he had to say was I'M KEEPING tHE CLUB NAME and guess what I told him I DON'T GIVE A love ABOUT A CLUB NAME. When i left some of the club members went with me and we started working with Gary Johnson and we stayed at the new facility after we got kicked outta Morgan's cause bartlesteins wife kicked him to the curb when she didn't get any money for us training there and she found out that he was using our training money to get heroine. I don't care whom you all believe but I have always told people that ask me about him not to train with him. he doesn't have the best interest of no one but himself in mind. We then started training with Troy Seaton until the facility was sold and we left. we trained with dopa dogs and i credit Gary, troy seaton, Toriano and Tyrone for helping me train my dogs the proper way and that's why now after wasting almost 2 yrs with Ray that my dogs have made awesome progress. the only credit he gets is for taking our money. But you can Ask Nelson and Nelson Jr and a whole list of people that will verify that is the truth,

Furthermore, when he seen Kira's bad report from Spring harbor he told me not to tell anyone but guess what i told everyone. He couldn't have me around cause I tell everything and when you do shady business you can't have an honest person around telling everything. I didn't never tell anyone to visit his website to use that as leverage for my breedings(the pups were all sold already) but to get a picture of caritos which I didn't have and to see buster pictures for the ones that had double bred on buster lines, there's nothing wrong with that cause i didn't own the male to show them. They did get to see all my dog and put their hands on them and they were so happy with the temperaments of my dogs. I don't sell dogs to support my family, who can live on 3 breedings on 6 yrs? The other person I called was Lynda and her told when i got the bad report on kira....She told me to send the report in to the OFA and i didn't cause I wasn't going to use her anymore excluding her from my pedigree and that's what I have been working on ever since. She was never a foundation nothing she was bumped down the chain to a pet that I have kept around because her status has not progressed and for the longevity of the blood meaning to see how long she will live healthy, she's not bad and still runs around here like top dog. Look at Thugs pedigree it proves that , he's mad cause i did with his blood what him or enzo couldn't do using it. I then told him that I would be using Braveheart dogs from then on and that's when he turned his nose up at me and he knew he would not get another dime and he was gone from it....literally and I'm glad!! After he got Carlitos I sent the puppy registration to him thru enzo cause he wouldn't come meet me to sign the litter off. I gave them the papers in July and i didn't get anything from the abra till november, I was shorted 2 puppy papers in a litter of ten and i got emails to prove that. One of my customers was there and he can verify that I only got 8 papers. So when i got on here and said that i couldn't get my dogs papers (Steve and few others said that I should try again) so i did and that's when i found out that Athena and jinx 2 puppies from my breeding were on abra website with Barrera listed as breeder, bingo those were the pups papers that i had missing. So that's the whole truth and if anyone wants to hear from the horses mouth call me and i will give you the number of the people that he turned his back on. the end for real.

tomorrow and sunday we have a full days training to put in so I might not be available, anyone interested in knowing anything else about this and my dogs I have emails and more stuff from the abra proving what i am saying. You are more than welcomed to email me sgrayil@yahoo.com and I will be getting my paperwork from the ABRA(thanks Lesli) and from the NKC finally after 3 yrs....Imma be present at more shows now.

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1/14/2011 7:21 pm  #42


Re: KIRA AB`s ON THE HOT SEAT... "GENERATION NEXT"...ITS SHOW TIME!!!

Susan for the record you never gave me a guarentee i bought 4 dogs from you and Dixie is the only one anyone has heard of cuz the other 3are shitters and are culled !!!!! I never told you cuz i was done with you and didnt want to waste my time with your B.S. !!!!! You offered to get Dixie x-rayed now thats the first i heard of that and you never said anything about kiras hips to me EVER !!!!!  For your information the people who own pups from you put Ray as the breeder cuz after getting the pup from you they didnt want any affiliation with you !! CAN YOU BLAME THEM !!!!!!.......Enzo

 

1/14/2011 7:41 pm  #43


Re: KIRA AB`s ON THE HOT SEAT... "GENERATION NEXT"...ITS SHOW TIME!!!

Thats funny you did wit his blood what we could'nt !!!!  Whats that ?? YOU'VE DONE NOTHING SUSAN !!! I worked showed and championed Dixie and you NADA !!!! And for the record if you had a JUGHEAD in your house you still would have your teeth and not just a tooth !!!!!  LOL.......Enzo

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1/14/2011 7:45 pm  #44


Re: KIRA AB`s ON THE HOT SEAT... "GENERATION NEXT"...ITS SHOW TIME!!!

you are a liar..........and you can take her and get her done at my expense I told you that before. I told you to see the xrays and you declined saying that Ray sent you, that was good for you. You never signed a buyers contract with me so you get nothing.  i been asking you to give me the info on all those dogs and you never give me any response on it so you can push on with that bullshiit. You never told me that any of those dogs were put down I got emails from you that say different so anyone that wants to see them I'm going to post them right now. the best dog you owned came from my yard...

Re: heyMonday, January 19, 2009 9:02 PMFrom: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Enzo Cullotta" <lottabully@yahoo.com>View contact detailsTo: sgrayil@yahoo.com

fiona is nice but jinx is a wreck i did them at the sept show with the nkc never been a fan of the abra now i no why !!!im low on shots i have 6 five week old pups out of hawk and chick a 100 percent johnson female i have  !! so what you have coming up to you and my new number is 630-479-0020

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, Susan Gray <sgrayil@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Susan Gray <sgrayil@yahoo.com>
Subject: hey
To: lottabully@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 8:50 PM


just trying to find out how the pups are doing? Did you get them papered? Do you have some shots I can buy? I need the bordetella and the parvo. I moved and I don't have the thing up and running yet. Let me know I'll come get them. I have a new dog coming here soon...keep an eye on the boards in a couple weeks...

HERE'S ThE LAST ONE from this year with me asking and getting no response and if I had a scanner i would post the buyers contracts so everyone can see exactly what i am talking about


papersTuesday, January 4, 2011 11:04 PMFrom: "Susan Gray" <sgrayil@yahoo.com>View contact detailsTo: lottabully@yahoo.com

what happened with Jinx? who has her now. cause after going thru the BS with the ABRA I'm finally getting the papers from them corrected and they are sending me the new papers. I need to get in touch with sherry too. I never got the papers for the pups so they are sending me the papers with the corrections so i can sign them and I need to get them to Sherry. the papers she has now are no good. I will have the corrected ones here soon. I tried to email her and tell her but she only emailed me one time. So if you have her number can you please tell her to call me. 773-454-1217 or email me an address so I can mail them to her.

thanks

Here's the one from SHERRY that owns the pup they have listed as being cobred by Ray....

Re: PuppyMonday, December 27, 2010 8:16 AMFrom: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Sherry Bromund" <badangel2005@sbcglobal.net>View contact detailsTo: "Susan Gray" <sgrayil@yahoo.com>

Athena is doing great.  She is a champion now in the ABRA show ring and she had her first litter of pups last fall.  I will get you and updated picture very soon.

Sherry

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Susan Gray <sgrayil@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Susan Gray <sgrayil@yahoo.com>
Subject: Puppy
To: badangel2005@sbcglobal.net
Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 6:29 AM


Hey just wondering how the pup you got from is doing? If you can pls send me an updated picture. thanks so much

Susan Gray

I ALWAYS EMAIL EVERYONE IN THE BEGINING OF THE YEAR.....

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1/14/2011 8:03 pm  #45


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Lotta Bulls wrote:

Thats funny you did wit his blood what we could'nt !!!!  Whats that ?? YOU'VE DONE NOTHING SUSAN !!! I worked showed and championed Dixie and you NADA !!!! And for the record if you had a JUGHEAD in your house you still would have your teeth and not just a tooth !!!!!  LOL.......Enzo

are you crazy I never had that trainwreck in my house....I had carlitos for 3 week and bad tina 2 at my house. Jughead bit someone at the cal testing thats the truth and he was just being petted. Ray admitted to that on the johnson board so talk about what you know....cause you weren't there. And breeding dogs with fuked up tempermants is funny to you also, that why it never worked for you cause you went the wrong direction with it....and that why you sent Mojo to me and i got that email too.....I keep everything. I got emails from me trying to get those dogs papered for months and months..I can post those too.

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... explaining all that --- On Tue, 1/11/11, ABRA <email@abra1st.com> wrote: From: ABRA ... Jane registered as Gray's Calamity Jane ABRA #2785-05, if you didn't get her certificate ... s Carlito's X Gray's Calamity Jane ... ABRA RE: RE: Re: Re: puppy papers Thu, 11/20 ...

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I'm still sending in all the papers and I'm documenting all of this and gonna get a lawyer and that's how it will be handled. Your registry is a farce. If you think that's how this is going to end you are sadly mistaken and you will hear from my legal ...

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ok I believe I got everything straightened out with the abra. They are going to send the new papers to me and then I'll send them to you signed. I need an address to send them to. Cause I ...

Read     Susan Gray  papers Tue, 1/4/11 Sent
what happened with Jinx? who has her now. cause after going thru the BS with the ABRA I'm finally getting the papers from them corrected and they are sending me the new papers. I need to get in touch with sherry too ...

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... and tell him that I will have jinx papers. --- On Tue, 1/4/11, ABRA <email@abra1st.com> wrote: From: ABRA <email@abra1st.com> Subject ... sgrayil@yahoo.com ] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 23:07 To: ABRA Subject: RE: Breeder listing i got 8 papers for a litter of 10 ...

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BusterXBrooklyn).....that's why I been off the boards. I had two litters back to back and its been crazy getting the papers from ABRA. Thus is a big boy, 6 months in that picture..he placed first at an NKC show that I went to last summer, I think he's a good one ...

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... 2785-05 Lesli Rose American Bulldog Registry and Archives www.ABRA1st.com Olde Bulldogge Breed Association www.BulldoggeRegistry.com ... Cullotta Ray Barrera Jr. & Susan Gray 3rd 2 --- On Mon, 1/3/11, ABRA <email@abra1st.com> wrote: From: ABRA <email@abra1st.com> Subject ...

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... didn't have them to give but the dogs are registered with the abra. Ray Barrera is listed as breeder, he is not. I will look for ... Cullotta Ray Barrera Jr. & Susan Gray 3rd 2 --- On Mon, 1/3/11, ABRA <email@abra1st.com> wrote: From: ABRA <email@abra1st.com> Subject ...

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This is Susan Gray. I would like to know why you have Ray Barrera listed as the breeder to my dogs. You have him listed as breeder to Jinx owned by Enzo Cullotta and Athena owned by Rudy and Sherry Bromund, these dogs are from my yard and were produced by ...

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I was just looking at the Abra website and I saw Barrera listed as the breeder of Athena which is incorrect ... 27, 2010, 8:16 AM Athena is doing great. She is a champion now in the ABRA show ring and she had her first litter of pups last fall. I will get ...

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... Susana Gray 4901 N Mulligan. chicago IL 60630 - On Thu, 11/6/08, ABRA <email@abra1st.com> wrote: From: ABRA <email@abra1st.com> Subject ... try another registry. Thanks, Susan - On Thu, 10/2/08, email@abra1st.com <email@abra1st.com> wrote: From: email@abra1st.com <email ...

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... you let me know whats going on, so I can cancel the money order and try another registry. Thanks, Susan - On Thu, 10/2/08, email@abra1st.com <email@abra1st.com> wrote: From: email@abra1st.com <email@abra1st.com> Subject: Re: RE: Re: Re: puppy papers To: sgrayil@yahoo ...

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... can get these people on the right path. Some of them want to show the puppies they got from me. Thanks Susan - On Wed, 10/1/08, ABRA <email@abra1st.com> wrote: From: ABRA <email@abra1st.com> Subject: RE: Re: Re: puppy papers To: sgrayil@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday ...

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I need to know what Paper work I'm missing. Can someone get back to me Susan Gray - On Mon, 9/22/08, email@abra1st.com <email@abra1st.com> wrote: From: email@abra1st.com <email@abra1st.com> Subject: Re: Re: Re: puppy papers To: sgrayil@yahoo ...

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... Sire is Barrera's Carlito. A 30 dollar money order made out to abra, and the litter registration. Ten puppies born March 27th 2008 ... yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:42 PM To: email@abra1st.com Subject: Re: Re: puppy papers I'm still trying to get a ...

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... trying to get a response on my puppy papers. Litter born 3/27/08 Gray's Calamity Jane Barrera's Carlito's - On Wed, 9/17/08, email@abra1st.com <email@abra1st.com> wrote: From: email@abra1st.com <email@abra1st.com> Subject: Re: Re: puppy papers To: sgrayil@yahoo.com ...

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... money order for Papers on Jane. Can someone please get back to me asap. or call 773-220-0330 Thanks Susan - On Tue, 9/9/08, email@abra1st.com <email@abra1st.com> wrote: From: email@abra1st.com <email@abra1st.com> Subject: Re: puppy papers To: sgrayil@yahoo.com Date ...

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Hi lesli, I sent some papers for my F dog Gray's Calamity jane with a money order for a dog and I wanted to know if you have gotten them. There was also a reg. for a litter of 10. born march 27th 2008 out of Barrera's Carlito's X Gray's Calamity Jane ...

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1/14/2011 8:23 pm  #46


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over fifty emails since 2008 of me trying to get this right. I even ask leslie to talk to sherry so that she can get her dog xrayd at my expense. You want me to post that too. When you were sick i offered more than once to come help you with your dogs you fuking assshole....love YOU......the best dog you ever owned came from my yard and i told you to your face that I would pay for her X-ray and i still will and you can tell Sherry and Rudy to bring that bitch to elmhurst and I will pay for it right now....make an appointment with Dr. Prince if you wanna prove your credibility. Today!!! I will miss training and take my asss in there so you can have your X-ray and them too and tell the lady that has fiona to bring that bitch and lets do this.....

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1/14/2011 8:26 pm  #47


Re: KIRA AB`s ON THE HOT SEAT... "GENERATION NEXT"...ITS SHOW TIME!!!

I DONT WANT JACK Shizzy FROM YOU !!!!!!  IF I DID YOU WOULD OF HEARD FROM ME !!! RIGHT ?? GOOD BYE NO SENSE IN WASTING MY TIME WITH YOU !!

 

1/14/2011 8:29 pm  #48


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then you must have something to hide bring them bitches or look like a liar.....

50 emails yall since 2008 and because i trusted these bozos with my paperwork. they breed shiiit temperaments and came to me for a replacement on jugheads bad offspring so something must be good coming outta here. I got emails from my buyers and how happy they are with their dogs that they got from me. Booya here are some of the people that got pups from me. email them and ask them whats up.....LOL

paluch.craig@gmail.com

Barnoneknls@gmail.com

Traderdaily@gmail.com

destiny.booth@yahoo.com

tymemajesty@yahoo.com

nelsonp@ameritech.net

and there are much more.......

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1/14/2011 8:34 pm  #49


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First why would i take the states money from you to pay for my dogs second the dogs were put down all bad hips and skin deseases so keep doing what your doing GOOD JOB !!!!

 

1/14/2011 8:49 pm  #50


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yeah the only thing that you say is bullshiit to try to divert aqttention from the truth.....you got something to say that has some proof post the the vets findings or shut up....cause again the best bitch you owned was from my yard and you sent MOJO to me to breed to thug....gee i wonder why?? Sherry got a champion from my yard and so what does that say??.....Take them to Dr. Prince and stop breeding to jughead and you should be cool. You bred to jug head and your litter crapped out....I even told you not to breed to that dog...that ugly mutt that couldn't breathe for shiit. That almost died at training......

Booya here are some of the people that got pups from me. email them and ask them whats up.....LOL

paluch.craig@gmail.com

Barnoneknls@gmail.com

Traderdaily@gmail.com

destiny.booth@yahoo.com

tymemajesty@yahoo.com

nelsonp@ameritech.net

and there are much more.......happy campers

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