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3/12/2011 8:50 pm  #1


MR. MIAGI...EXTREME POCKET...

He may not be what every body wants but for being a NOVELTY dog he is an amazing little guy...these are his new pics and he looks to be putting on muscle...
Stud fee 5g`s big baby...

http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/muscletechk9/Miagi1.jpg


http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/muscletechk9/Miagi2.jpg


http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/muscletechk9/Miagi3.jpg


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3/13/2011 12:56 am  #2


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BEAUTIFUL BULLY!

 

3/13/2011 1:01 am  #3


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ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW PICS CAN MAKE OR BREAK A DOG...

Franco wrote:

BEAUTIFUL BULLY!

 

3/13/2011 1:21 am  #4


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Are you freakn kiddn? 5stacks for a stud fee? Please tell me this is a lil rizzy offspring?! Who is he out of?


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3/13/2011 8:52 am  #5


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Some bullies are expensive....people say they are a fad....well maybe some types but from what I've seen, these dogs have excellent pet temperament....I think their faults need work...I don't know if the dogs good temperament was an accident or breeders priority but can't deny they make good pets. Kinda of like the english bulldogs were a popular pet../...American bullies are moving away from name pitbull. They're two different breeds. Pits are still around....as far as quality of gameness, you might have to search real good...


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3/13/2011 9:01 am  #6


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Damn....miagi is a bad boy...I've been watching him since a lil pup and he has really matured into a beast!

Charles he is off G2...G2 is hands down the biggest name in the breed right now....G2's stud fee is 5k as well but I believe it's going up...Steve just got a Dbl. G2 Son...G2 x G2 Granddaughter..He is a lil bad ass...they might not be the healthiest dogs alive, but they are the just like our breed there are good ones and bad ones... And in that breed the term get what you pay for is taken to a whole new level!!...lol

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3/13/2011 10:34 am  #7


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NaptownBullies wrote:

Damn....miagi is a bad boy...I've been watching him since a lil pup and he has really matured into a beast!

Charles he is off G2...G2 is hands down the biggest name in the breed right now....G2's stud fee is 5k as well but I believe it's going up...Steve just got a Dbl. G2 Son...G2 x G2 Granddaughter..He is a lil bad ass...they might not be the healthiest dogs alive, but they are the just like our breed there are good ones and bad ones... And in that breed the term get what you pay for is taken to a whole new level!!...lol

Yea think i heard of G2. Steve who? I would like to see how he look as, i also find they are not consistant in how they throw. Lol, these dogs never seize to amaze me.

I have a pup off of hanibul and diva. Last time I heard, somebody stole hanibul. Don't understand that cause his look can be noticed a mile a way.  A friend of mines has a little Rizzy littermate and cousin. Those dogs are in the 7000 range just to get a pup or studd. That is rediculous.

A lot of theses dogs seem to either be sterile or just not taking.  So many stories of dogs being shipped for numbers in the 10's of thousands of dollars and never producing any pups. I wonder why that is? It could be one of the problems associated with those Am-bullies. Not sure but amazing to say the least. 


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3/13/2011 10:39 am  #8


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BADASS ISH!!!!!!!!! GET AT ME 

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3/13/2011 11:53 am  #9


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CharlesGregory wrote:

NaptownBullies wrote:

Damn....miagi is a bad boy...I've been watching him since a lil pup and he has really matured into a beast!

Charles he is off G2...G2 is hands down the biggest name in the breed right now....G2's stud fee is 5k as well but I believe it's going up...Steve just got a Dbl. G2 Son...G2 x G2 Granddaughter..He is a lil bad ass...they might not be the healthiest dogs alive, but they are the just like our breed there are good ones and bad ones... And in that breed the term get what you pay for is taken to a whole new level!!...lol

Yea think i heard of G2. Steve who? I would like to see how he look as, i also find they are not consistant in how they throw. Lol, these dogs never seize to amaze me.

I have a pup off of hanibul and diva. Last time I heard, somebody stole hanibul. Don't understand that cause his look can be noticed a mile a way.  A friend of mines has a little Rizzy littermate and cousin. Those dogs are in the 7000 range just to get a pup or studd. That is rediculous.

A lot of theses dogs seem to either be sterile or just not taking.  So many stories of dogs being shipped for numbers in the 10's of thousands of dollars and never producing any pups. I wonder why that is? It could be one of the problems associated with those Am-bullies. Not sure but amazing to say the least. 

This is just my opinion Charles but the COI on these dogs are really high the lines are very very inbred so litter size is compromised and the over-all size of the dogs is getting reduced has is the litter size and the rate of dogs taking when bred... all symptoms of a compromised or depressed gene pool here is a pic of "G2" Mr Miagi`s double grandpa on top and bottom he has a 25 inch mayo taped head 90 pounds and about 18 inches tall. the Gotti blood is very paramount on the breedings of Rhino/Felony Juan Gotti offspring and littermates that were inbred and there offspring and grand kids also tightly inbred with the out cross to some sort of bulldog along the way only to bring it back to original tightly bred blood...this done over and over till you see what you have today... look at the difference in size in G2 and Miagi...

http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/muscletechk9/G2-3.jpg


http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/muscletechk9/G2-1.jpg

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3/13/2011 12:50 pm  #10


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I love him Ish. I like the tighter skinned harder muscled Amer. Bullys. Just have always hated the fact that they still have a pit-like head. Miagi has a vastly improved look to his head.  I would own him in a minute. Hell 99.95 of the dog population is novelty dogs because so few people still work or use any dog for their original purpose.


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3/13/2011 2:25 pm  #11


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I love this lil freak!!...but then again...extreme freaks are MY cup o' tea...not for everyone, and DEFINATELY not a without EXTREME drawbacks to owning/breeding..

that said...lemme pose these questions..

...It doesnt seem like paper-hanging is a big topic in the Am Bully crowd..at least among the minions who are shelling out top dollar for pups/stud fees...
why is that???

...I would take a dog like this in a HOTT minute...but I wouldnt be under any illusions about his possible make-up....lol
He has some serious Frenchie cross traits... not just in size, but overall....

...not suggesting he's a first gen cross..but DEFINATELY close or doubled up on... 

Is it just that it's understood by most these dogs are "composite" based...then bred to eachother to attain "purebred" status from there...like Shortys or other composite programs????

Is it a breed where customers demand DNA regularly???... not just thru the immediate gens..but further back???

Im a fan...no dig on these dogs... like I said, Im ALL ABOUT THE FREAK ..especially in a SMALL dog....but ya gotta know what your buying if you plan on breeding it.  You'll think your breeding horses...come to find out your getting zebras...lol....

juss sayin....


and 5 G's... 5 "stacks"??....supply & demand will dictate that. These types are RARE.... my guess is because of the close crossed peds..so very few will ever get one of these unless YOU "made" it for yourself...  so save your money...lol

 

3/13/2011 5:40 pm  #12


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Ish I deff hear you on that one. I think you really hit that on the head and if that was just an opinion that was a great hypothesis. lol.
To the point however, Mr. Miagi then would have an even Higher COI then his daddy for sure which seems to crunch and lock in the type-ee traits thats wanted of these dogs yet, looking at his head... He has less of a pit head then his dad G2, which would encourage more inbreeding I would think or another 2x's top and bottom.
So now im curious of how he moves and or breathes?

Hmmm,  If you consider the COI in Mr. Miagi wouldn't you think selection or focus  NOW would go for hybrid vigor in more of a functional line. I see a train wreck waiting to happen.
I believe that their should still be more assistance in the offspring.
Just my thoughts!


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3/14/2011 7:42 am  #13


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CharlesGregory wrote:

Ish I deff hear you on that one. I think you really hit that on the head and if that was just an opinion that was a great hypothesis. lol.
To the point however, Mr. Miagi then would have an even Higher COI then his daddy for sure which seems to crunch and lock in the type-ee traits thats wanted of these dogs yet, looking at his head... He has less of a pit head then his dad G2, which would encourage more inbreeding I would think or another 2x's top and bottom.
So now im curious of how he moves and or breathes?

Hmmm,  If you consider the COI in Mr. Miagi wouldn't you think selection or focus  NOW would go for hybrid vigor in more of a functional line. I see a train wreck waiting to happen.
I believe that their should still be more assistance in the offspring.
Just my thoughts!

The good thing is that the ABKC allows single reg of UKC/AKC/ADBA dogs and you can refresh the popular contemporary blood with "original" stock to add some size, vigor and overall health and soundness something not many Bully breeders are trying to do in that breed either but yes there is a train wreck waiting to happen for the whole breed if precaution isnt taken...


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3/15/2011 5:25 am  #14


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nice


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3/15/2011 11:11 am  #15


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....ok, I could be wrong I guess...

...maybe he's just bred down from dogs selectively breeding for extreme traits...



either way... I'd take a dozen..in every possible color...stat!

 

3/15/2011 11:40 am  #16


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Mr_Kracka wrote:

....ok, I could be wrong I guess...

...maybe he's just bred down from dogs selectively breeding for extreme traits...



either way... I'd take a dozen..in every possible color...stat!

Either way they threw together the soup I would take a dozen... 


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3/15/2011 1:02 pm  #17


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he's definitely cool looking!!


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3/15/2011 1:20 pm  #18


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Mr. Kracka, i think u brought up some good pts up there.  I don't think the american bully crowd cares as much about the dogs that are behind the current ones.  Its about the final product. I have fam that breed these dogs and they do not paper hang, but I highly doubt they would care exactly what was behind the dog as long as it has the look.  I think with american bullies its a given that the blood is all mixed up and as long as the dog is a "freak", it doesn't matter.  No harm, no foul - as long as you kno wut ur gettin in2, however I doubt most do - they see a cool dog and want to breed more cool dogs. Plus with the $ factored in - well, "aint nothin movin but the money."

The lack of DNA testing/caring has its benefits and its downfalls.  U can knock the AKC all u want, but you can spot a Rottie, Great Dane or Pug a mile away. Strict guidelines.  The blood suffers, but the breed phenotype is strong.  With a breed like the american bullies or even american bulldogs, you can take 10 random dogs, and they look very differently.  We havent figured out want we want, so I guess until then to each his own...

Eitherway, that dog is nice and american bullies are superior pets.  They got the don't f wit me look, but r chiller than ice cubes.  I always recommend them to people lookin for a gud pet dog...(jus to hav them look at me like I'm crazy)

 

3/15/2011 3:53 pm  #19


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The Nova Bull wrote:

Mr. Kracka, i think u brought up some good pts up there.  I don't think the american bully crowd cares as much about the dogs that are behind the current ones.  Its about the final product. I have fam that breed these dogs and they do not paper hang, but I highly doubt they would care exactly what was behind the dog as long as it has the look.  I think with american bullies its a given that the blood is all mixed up and as long as the dog is a "freak", it doesn't matter.  No harm, no foul - as long as you kno wut ur gettin in2, however I doubt most do - they see a cool dog and want to breed more cool dogs. Plus with the $ factored in - well, "aint nothin movin but the money."

The lack of DNA testing/caring has its benefits and its downfalls.  U can knock the AKC all u want, but you can spot a Rottie, Great Dane or Pug a mile away. Strict guidelines.  The blood suffers, but the breed phenotype is strong.  With a breed like the american bullies or even american bulldogs, you can take 10 random dogs, and they look very differently.  We havent figured out want we want, so I guess until then to each his own...

Eitherway, that dog is nice and american bullies are superior pets.  They got the don't f wit me look, but r chiller than ice cubes.  I always recommend them to people lookin for a gud pet dog...(jus to hav them look at me like I'm crazy)

Good Post here...


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3/15/2011 10:48 pm  #20


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exactly...

...American bulldogs not NEARLY as far to the extreme as this dog is are called out ALL THE TIME...

DNA DNA DNA..PAPER HANGER!!...THIEF!!...

well.. like I said..Im ALL FOR this look in a lil dog..and thats whether its a new breed or existing..BUT..

I aint paying $5,000 for something i cant identify, making breeding this type an impossible task...

...ever wonder why dogs like this are such a fricken crap-shoot??....lol

crosses dont breed true..they can't... it takes multiple pairings/gens to get anything consistant...

i LOVE this dog...but I am curious why nobody asks questions with those price tags???...

I am not curious as whether he is or isnt crossed up...I am pretty sure of that answer...lol

my curiousity is in the over-whelming rise in individual dog campaining and the rise in the COST of that dog with ZERO hesitation or question...lol

and ya wonder WHY anyone would cross dogs to make freaks??...lol... STACK CHASING FOOOL !!!

just my 2cents...

 

4/14/2011 9:37 pm  #21


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Uncle Ish wrote:

This is just my opinion Charles but the COI on these dogs are really high the lines are very very inbred so litter size is compromised and the over-all size of the dogs is getting reduced has is the litter size and the rate of dogs taking when bred... all symptoms of a compromised or depressed gene pool here is a pic of "G2" Mr Miagi`s double grandpa on top and bottom he has a 25 inch mayo taped head 90 pounds and about 18 inches tall. the Gotti blood is very paramount on the breedings of Rhino/Felony Juan Gotti offspring and littermates that were inbred and there offspring and grand kids also tightly inbred with the out cross to some sort of bulldog along the way only to bring it back to original tightly bred blood...this done over and over till you see what you have today... look at the difference in size in G2 and Miagi...

Ish..while these dogs may very well have a high COI and that can affect litter size and cause sterile dogs I don't think that is what is affecting these dogs are far as size goes.  So with there size and structure something had to be introduced...
To give you an example the sire of my female, Holland's Fleetwood has a COI of 63.54% and he was not really any different in size than his ancestors http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=98485 in this pic he was 14months old and about 41lbs.  I think he ended up being a 44lb dog in shape.
Take Norrod's Hemphill Red Danger.. I don't have the time to figure out his COI but I know it is higher than Fleetwood's, he comes from two back to back brother sister breedings and he still has size and structure. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=108242  So, to me, these dogs obviously have something else in them and a high COI doesn't have much to do with it.

 

4/18/2011 10:54 am  #22


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Uncle Ish wrote:

He may not be what every body wants but for being a NOVELTY dog he is an amazing little guy...these are his new pics and he looks to be putting on muscle...
Stud fee 5g`s big baby...

http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/muscletechk9/Miagi1.jpg

http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/muscletechk9/Miagi2.jpg

http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/muscletechk9/Miagi3.jpg

been following this dog since he was a cute lil pup..............it amazes me that this level of deformity is so highly reveared
American Bully's are a great example of what we in ABs need to avoid at all cost........there are so many in our breed who see the hype/marketing/world of the American Bully as something to mimic because they see $$$Dollar Signs$$$$
what they don't see when time plays this road to hell out you'll end up with a lot so suffering dogs, a very unhealthy breed to be added to the long list that already exist.. Mr Miagi is a train wreck and the crime is that poor dog is destine to a life of physical suffering........the original Razors Edge dogs, Cairo, Poco,Thing,Gargoyle were fiarly sound type......now days it has just gone deep into the sewer of genetic deformity

http://theincredibulls.net/images/pedcairo.jpg
http://theincredibulls.net/images/pedro01.jpg
http://theincredibulls.net/images/pedpaco.jpg
http://theincredibulls.net/images/pedcai02.jpg
http://knuckleheadpits.com/dogs/remy2.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4645691229_2b4d2f3e5f.jpg


these dogs could be improved, refined

this mutated mr miagi style is a genetic tradgety...what can you do with it...just create more deformity

http://i31.tinypic.com/eprb84.jpg
http://www.carolinabullyfarms.com/DSC_1284-1FR.jpg

http://www.militantkennel.com/dogimg/1022309195919Bullmaster_Breeding.jpg
http://www.teaminkbulliez.com/MALES/APOC/apocweb2.jpg


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4/18/2011 1:18 pm  #23


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I like this type of American Bully...

http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff404/Casinobullies/Cullman_064.jpg


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4/18/2011 4:06 pm  #24


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Hawk wrote:

Uncle Ish wrote:

This is just my opinion Charles but the COI on these dogs are really high the lines are very very inbred so litter size is compromised and the over-all size of the dogs is getting reduced has is the litter size and the rate of dogs taking when bred... all symptoms of a compromised or depressed gene pool here is a pic of "G2" Mr Miagi`s double grandpa on top and bottom he has a 25 inch mayo taped head 90 pounds and about 18 inches tall. the Gotti blood is very paramount on the breedings of Rhino/Felony Juan Gotti offspring and littermates that were inbred and there offspring and grand kids also tightly inbred with the out cross to some sort of bulldog along the way only to bring it back to original tightly bred blood...this done over and over till you see what you have today... look at the difference in size in G2 and Miagi...

Ish..while these dogs may very well have a high COI and that can affect litter size and cause sterile dogs I don't think that is what is affecting these dogs are far as size goes.  So with there size and structure something had to be introduced...
To give you an example the sire of my female, Holland's Fleetwood has a COI of 63.54% and he was not really any different in size than his ancestors http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=98485 in this pic he was 14months old and about 41lbs.  I think he ended up being a 44lb dog in shape.
Take Norrod's Hemphill Red Danger.. I don't have the time to figure out his COI but I know it is higher than Fleetwood's, he comes from two back to back brother sister breedings and he still has size and structure. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=108242  So, to me, these dogs obviously have something else in them and a high COI doesn't have much to do with it.

Hawk there was a time when I was breeding a line of dogs in my area that came from Ruffian,Gaff,Larum,Sierra ect. and the tighter we got we started producing dogs that were half the size from the foundation stock the dogs although muscular started shrinking and throwing faults!!! The COI wasnt even that high... Your dogs come from working stock were only the best gladiators are allowed to breed regadless of color or any other physical attributes the weak are put down...the show dogs and bully dogs are bred on the opposite end of the spectrum... color, head size, thickness of chest, shortness of back is all that matters even the weakest dogs health wise has long has they have certain features are widely used at stud.
I have to friends in amstaffs with 2 seperate lines going 7 plus generations each and there stock kept pure has dwarfed also... just like these bullies have. It only proves that when you select for performance and a craft  and breed the best to the best at performing that craft for an extended amount of time you can have tight COI`s and it not affect the dogs. Yet another example: I have a friend who inbred her 27 pound male frenchy back to his 23 pound daughter and the biggest pup now an adult is 11 pounds pig fat... JMO that high COI`s affect "novelty" dogs faster than they do "working" dogs that are culled hard...


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4/18/2011 5:34 pm  #25


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BHBulldogs wrote:

Uncle Ish wrote:

He may not be what every body wants but for being a NOVELTY dog he is an amazing little guy...these are his new pics and he looks to be putting on muscle...
Stud fee 5g`s big baby...

http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/muscletechk9/Miagi1.jpg

http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/muscletechk9/Miagi2.jpg

http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo49/muscletechk9/Miagi3.jpg

been following this dog since he was a cute lil pup..............it amazes me that this level of deformity is so highly reveared
American Bully's are a great example of what we in ABs need to avoid at all cost........there are so many in our breed who see the hype/marketing/world of the American Bully as something to mimic because they see $$$Dollar Signs$$$$
what they don't see when time plays this road to hell out you'll end up with a lot so suffering dogs, a very unhealthy breed to be added to the long list that already exist.. Mr Miagi is a train wreck and the crime is that poor dog is destine to a life of physical suffering........the original Razors Edge dogs, Cairo, Poco,Thing,Gargoyle were fiarly sound type......now days it has just gone deep into the sewer of genetic deformity

http://theincredibulls.net/images/pedcairo.jpghttp://theincredibulls.net/images/pedro01.jpghttp://theincredibulls.net/images/pedpaco.jpghttp://theincredibulls.net/images/pedcai02.jpghttp://knuckleheadpits.com/dogs/remy2.jpghttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4645691229_2b4d2f3e5f.jpg

these dogs could be improved, refined

this mutated mr miagi style is a genetic tradgety...what can you do with it...just create more deformity

http://i31.tinypic.com/eprb84.jpghttp://www.carolinabullyfarms.com/DSC_1284-1FR.jpg
http://www.militantkennel.com/dogimg/1022309195919Bullmaster_Breeding.jpghttp://www.teaminkbulliez.com/MALES/APOC/apocweb2.jpg

I agree with you 100% vito. I mean it's nothing more than a long snouted ENGLISH BULLDOG. Amazing how someone could actually keep BREEDING this OVER and OVER and OVER. If you're one of the BLIND who likes this? Then shame on you. Deformity is the ONLY thing  this type of animal is and if you dig this then what can the AMERICAN BULLDOG community expect from you. I want no part of this breed and those FOOLS that have made these DESTRUCTIONS of a dogs should be tried for CRUEL and UNUSAUL punishment. Sorry ish but you could'nt PAY ME to take one of these TRAIN WRECKS.


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