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12/21/2012 1:41 am  #1


The Sure Grip Letter

Here is a generic letter from Kyle Symmes of Sure Grip American Bulldogs. This one is from the early 90's. This was the kind of letter you received after purchasing the Sure Grip kennels video. Well instead of me explaining the letter take a look for yourself.


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Last edited by Irongrid (12/23/2012 11:13 am)


"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are."
John Wooden

www.norcalsbulldogs.com
 

12/21/2012 1:56 am  #2


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IS should ring LOUDLY in ight of current times & events in the AB...... 

people have been yapping on forums about how the FUTUTRE of the AB is going downhill...or that the problems NOW are NEW and are signs of demise for the breed.......I've heard it all...

FACT is this bulldog world hasbeen the SAME since it fell from the sky off the mothership!!!...

nothing is really new, just new players...........
nothing has really changed, just different changes...

the AB is and always has been a FRANCHISE PLAYER and a breed tha is what it is depending on WHO HOLDS THAT LEASH.

lotta tlk..lotta rumour milling...lotta bragging and alot of PROPHETS, GURUS & REVOLUTIONARIES!

then AND now...

this letter shows it...

but, Kyle had BALLS...and called out the braggards to PUT UP or shut up.....
regardless of opinions on his program/dogs...he called it for what it is in this letter....

 

12/21/2012 2:06 am  #3


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Great Read

 

12/22/2012 9:57 am  #4


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I had the chance to see most of the famous Sure Grip bred dogs. I will always be partial to Predator, but there are many like Freddie I liked as well. As well many of my all time favorites are influenced by Sure Grip bred dogs.

Just look at Woody and the stamp that dog himself with the breeding's Kyle did with him had on the breed. Most all of the Schutzhund titled AMerican Bulldogs have Woody somewhere in there pedigree along with producing two Sch3 sons Predator and Mikey as well. You may not be a fan of his appearance or structure, but there is no denying his production,

Then you have Rattler who I always here a mixed bag about. Though I have to say the breeding with him to Molly Brown (a Woody daughter owned by Steve Clark) produced some awesome working dogs with Kadane's Diesel, a dog most have never heard of being my favorite of the bunch. Not to mention Lil Sch3 and Moxie Sch3 both are grand daughters of Rattler.

I will always have appreciation for what Kyle did when starting the Sure Grip line. It is the start of the West Coast Hybrid. Where this breed first put its foot in the door as a working sport dog with Al and Predator. There are so many good working dogs that in some way are influenced through Sure Grip and many I would have loved to own. With that being said I was not a big fan of the latter Sure Grip dogs as I always thought they where bred for a larger size and not bred based off what they could do. Then again none of us are perfect as breeders.


"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are."
John Wooden

www.norcalsbulldogs.com
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12/22/2012 10:32 am  #5


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I was at an ABA show in Oregon and Kyle ws one of the judges. Either me or my wife was in the ring with our dog Paco, a Matias X Niki son. Kyle said that Paco reminded him of one of his catch dogs. Up to that point I thought all Kyle had or produced were sport dogs or dogs used in movies and commercials. Here's some pictures of Paco:

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg523/chrismead57/paco-jane-stack.gif

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg523/chrismead57/Paco-stacked.gif

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg523/chrismead57/Paco-side-view.gif

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg523/chrismead57/Paco-rear.gif

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg523/chrismead57/paco-tino-blind-combs-1-1.gif

Last edited by Colonel Angus (12/22/2012 10:33 am)

 

12/22/2012 3:51 pm  #6


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Marcel, you were at the right place, at the right time for sure. According to Putnam's book, Kyle raised pure Eurasian wild boar to test his dogs on, in addition to getting his dogs to the some of best sport folks around. Definetly had some well rounded proven bulldogs whose legacy is still alive today. Besides John D, I'd say Kyle had the biggest impact on the breed with Rip x Sheena, the beginning of the WC hybrid, and Rattler (Chance) in "Homeward Bound", catapulting the AB's popularity....for better or worse. The modern AB wouldn't be where it is today without John D and Kyle's contributions.....and of course Tim Berners-Lee, who probably never saw an AB, but did invent the www and create the first website. -Jim

 

12/22/2012 8:23 pm  #7


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That was really cool to read.  I love how much emphasis was put on temperament and work ability.


Good temperament is born not trained.

Pets should be the by product of a breeding program, not the basis of it.
 

12/23/2012 10:53 am  #8


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Nice read!!


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12/23/2012 11:15 am  #9


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I hope you don't mind. I edited the first page. It was a litte hard to read sideways. LOL! Thanks for sharing Marcel.


LET THEM HATE SO LONG AS THEY FEAR

"We are all attracted by short-cuts, quick fixes and easy solutions.But character takes time to shape and build."
 

12/23/2012 11:29 am  #10


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awesome thanks


"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are."
John Wooden

www.norcalsbulldogs.com
     Thread Starter
 

12/23/2012 1:24 pm  #11


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Here are some Sure Grip adds from back in the day.

1993 with Freddie and Rattler
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1994 with Freddie, Rattler and SG Hannibal
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/188613_348299555277906_265765979_n.jpg


"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are."
John Wooden

www.norcalsbulldogs.com
     Thread Starter
 

12/23/2012 1:27 pm  #12


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For anyone who is actively interested in the Sure Grip dogs I highly recommend talking to the owner of the American Bulldog Review (ABR) and purchasing all the past ABR Magazines. This is an excellent source for both the SG dogs and dogs produced by them. Not to mention for just the history of the breed.


"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are."
John Wooden

www.norcalsbulldogs.com
     Thread Starter
 

12/23/2012 2:55 pm  #13


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Great read for real...


Uncle Ish

"Your humble servant"
 

12/26/2012 10:56 am  #14


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Colonel Angus wrote:

I was at an ABA show in Oregon and Kyle ws one of the judges. Either me or my wife was in the ring with our dog Paco, a Matias X Niki son. Kyle said that Paco reminded him of one of his catch dogs. Up to that point I thought all Kyle had or produced were sport dogs or dogs used in movies and commercials. Here's some pictures of Paco:

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg523/chrismead57/paco-jane-stack.gif

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg523/chrismead57/Paco-stacked.gif

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg523/chrismead57/Paco-side-view.gif

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg523/chrismead57/Paco-rear.gif

http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg523/chrismead57/paco-tino-blind-combs-1-1.gif

Paco is a great-looking bulldog, Colonel Angus

 

12/26/2012 11:32 am  #15


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As far as looks, Freddie Krueger is one of my all-time favorite dogs...Long before I knew anything about a "Johnson", "Scott", or "standard", or "bully",that dog Hannibal is the type of bulldog that I grew up seeing...On another note, I remember being maybe a freshman in high school and watching that Homeward Bound movie on one of those days where we had a substitute or something. I heard one of my buddies who was a couple of years older than me refer to Chance as an "American Bulldog" . That was the first time I had ever heard that term used. Up to that point, I had always known that dog as just "White Bulldog" or v"White English" Bulldog. That was a good read. Sounds like he was willing to back up his claims.

 

5/25/2013 1:20 am  #16


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hi,it's not bad.

 

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