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4/21/2014 10:07 pm  #1


***HALL OF X ROUND ONE***

We want to start stacking up the best of best in the bulldog world... we will be developing some what of a tournament based on your votes on who are the hardest dogs out... all blood lines welcome... and this is an eye candy vote but you can let other criteria impact your vote... feel free to chime in your thoughts during the voting process... we will be voting on new school and old school dogs...

Round 1:

WB vs BMJ
who gets your vote and why???



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WB vs BMJ






Uncle Ish

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4/21/2014 10:38 pm  #2


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I had to think long and hard on this one because I admire both dogs greatly...


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4/21/2014 11:28 pm  #3


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4/22/2014 8:48 am  #4


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Eye Candy  what else could matter in this breed


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4/22/2014 8:51 am  #5


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I went WB. I only went off of the video and pictures I have seen, because I have not put hands on both dogs. WB and BMJ both in shape are pretty crazy looking, WB definitely wins out on dense hard muscle/hardness, BMJ gets the conformation nod though, ahead of his time he was.

The main reason I probably went with WB, he seems to just be a meaner, nastier, more civil dog. When you see vid of WB with decoys it looks like he is really trying to kill those guys, doesn't pay attention to the sleeve except to get a hold of something then spits it out. I have seen video of BMJ do iron dog and hardest hitting, all impressive but WB seems to be on a different level when it comes to his civil.

Also, WB definitely throws that temperment way more often from what I have seen.

my 2 cents

 

4/22/2014 12:04 pm  #6


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I went with the 2nd dog fro the following reasons:
to me a better looking AB
Longer muzzle which to means better breather (Maybe) 
Front of the dog straighter and more correct

Just overall like the look better only going by these pics
 

 

4/22/2014 12:21 pm  #7


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Guys just look and vote... eye candy... for fun... every damned post cant be a lecture or a lesson... there is a time for everything... and now is time for eye candy... pick your dog state why... and lets see who prevails and why...


Uncle Ish

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4/22/2014 12:30 pm  #8


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BMJ has the slim lead...


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4/22/2014 12:55 pm  #9


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Here is my lecture LOL!!  It is easy for me, I own both.  WB is far more extreme, but also more functional!!  Both dogs structurally are every correct.  BMJ has a better front end, but does not throw it.  He is inbred Bullistic and consistently throws and over done front end.  WB is not inbred, and seems to throw a better front end, even though he does not have a laid back shoulder set.  WB has the best rear in the breed hands down, even better than his Dual Gr. Champion father.  Temperament wise, both great dogs!!  BMJ is more of a sport type dog, very happy and loves it.  WB is far more serious, and wants to wreck decoys!!  Both dogs are very STABLE, and both dogs are extremely very hard on other animals!!  WB has better joints and produces better joints.  WB is more functional, and produces more functionals dogs.  When it comes down to which dog I would rather own, and which dog I would rather produce my next generation with.  The answer is simple, WB!!  And here is the reason...............

WB is not inbred Bullistic.  WB mom is one of the best females the breed has seen.  WB is a third generation dog that will put in work!!  It started with Spawn X Isis.  Both dogs with working titles and temperaments.  Next generation was BMJ X Junk.  Both dogs with working titles and temperaments.  Then comes WB, another generation of working titles and amazing temp.  How many bully dogs have multiple generations of working dogs behind them??  Who behind BMJ would work??

This dog in the ped alone makes WB a clear cut winner!!
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4/22/2014 3:43 pm  #10


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As for "eye candy" WB picture looks a lot better.  More muscle definiton.  I would say BMJ looks a little older in the picture than what WB looks.  Have seen and put hands on both dogs.  They each have their pro's and con's... different strokes for different folks.

 

4/22/2014 4:15 pm  #11


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I thought we were just voting? guess not, lol.
have met and put my hands on BMJ, Junk and WB. All dogs have their pros and cons. When seeing the breeding lined up, I always thought it was going to be a cool one. I do like Wrecking Bull..he's a cool dog. As a producer, he's doing very well...just visually, though...if you had ever seen BMJ in a show ring, you'd know you had seen something special. Junk was my bitch, lol..loved that dog. She was intense as f*ck, though lol. I got to work with her a few times..she was such a down *ss girl. I truly do not believe she had the wind to perform on a very high level, but she would absolutely never stop trying. One of the bully side's more serious bitches, for sure.
 


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4/22/2014 6:28 pm  #12


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I vote WB..I like the bone and muscle tone on him. I like that for a being a bully dog he can work and from what I have seen he has passed that trait on to his progeny..BMJ is very nice as well. I have never seen either of them in person so Im going by what I have seen in pictures and videos..Speaking from my personal expirence, loner muzzle doesn't really mean you have a better breather, but that's just a whole new topic. 


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4/22/2014 10:37 pm  #13


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I voted WB but I took my time with it... I like the fact he is hard... and is a prize to lay eyes on... and his hind quarter's are ideal... but I love bmj's refinement...


Uncle Ish

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4/22/2014 11:28 pm  #14


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Which dog is Better????a 100% Brave Heart dog or his 75% Brave Heart son????  LOL

Better, or Eye Catching is very subjective at best, all of the things stated are assumptions, based on subjective ideas , heavily bias.  spun to lean one way or another.....This thread was just another attempt to start up the same old lame back and forth. It is my opinion, I back it with facts not hearsay, or Spin.

 At compairing the two dog, Father and son.....100% Brave Heart in Bred Go Bullistic vs 75% Brave Heart 25% Kennedy out crossed pedigree.

BMJ's Leg & Body proportion, Head/Muzzle, front end is much more correct for an American Bulldog. BMJ is a dog inbred on PH.36.32, line bred on PH.28.36
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http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/latewinter2011/small/bmjpro.jpg

As far as Structure go it doesn't get much better, infact the only dogs I've seen better are a few of his progeny. Gracie, Huggy, Asylumm, Ms B,......IMO as far as production, BMJ's limited litters about a third as many litters as Wrecking Bull has had before 3 yrs of age....IMO on concrete assesments yoyu can see like structure, Muscle, breed type I have not see the same level of production from his son Wrecking Bull
http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/latewinter2011/small/huggymagnamious.jpg

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http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/summer2013/small/asylum-001.jpg


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Wrecking Bull does have very nice conformation, a very straight rear end and great muscle tone and Mass, but he is 3/4 legged, has an Olde Front End and Olde Head/Muzzle proportion he is bred from a father at the PH mediun and a mother in the PH .6s, the only linebreeding on his pedigree is Go Bullistic and a lessor extent Braudzilla anything else is more than 6 generation back in his pedgree so that is not considered linebred, on his mothers side the only dogs with good hips are Braudzilla and Vindicator, the rerst are very loose or no hip evals what so ever.   These are not Opinions these are facts.

But this thread isn't about the truth or honesty or fruitful discession, its about encouraging bickering and slinging sh--.................but in the end its who is better the Father or Son, the 100% Brave Heart or the 75% Brave Heart.....LOL http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png
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Love off
 

4/23/2014 12:39 am  #15


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I thought this was a bit of a sh*tty choice of dogs lol. I do love to talk about the two of them, however the direction this is going to go juuuuust might be easy to predict lol...and you are a smart man, Ish..the traffic on this site will most definitely increase. No disrespect intended, surely you can see the obvious coincidence.


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4/23/2014 7:53 am  #16


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Any 2 dogs are going to be a bad choice,  because both sides  will  sling s h i t to prove their dog is "The best"  I've seen both dogs in person and from strictly an eye candy perspective it's hard not to choose the greatest confirmation AB of all time but WB is very easy on the eyes for the "extreme" bully enthusiast and because of the muscle and the ridiculous rear I painfully choose Wrecking Bull over BMJ but it was hard and it took me 2 days to decide lol


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4/23/2014 8:49 am  #17


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O'Sullivan wrote:

I thought this was a bit of a sh*tty choice of dogs lol. I do love to talk about the two of them, however the direction this is going to go juuuuust might be easy to predict lol...and you are a smart man, Ish..the traffic on this site will most definitely increase. No disrespect intended, surely you can see the obvious coincidence.

 

Agreed. Ironic also since at least 80% of the posts on this board are arguments between the two involved parties. 

I voted BMJ. Love his structure! In that regard, he has to be one of the most impressive ABs I've seen. I do like WB's rear- that is my fave thing about him. For what I like, WB is too extreme, and BMJ is not quite massive/masculine enough for a male.... But, in the end, I think that BMJ would be an overall better tool. I had considered using him in the past (both of them, actually.) I think that if BMJ's hips would have been tighter, I definitely would have made that happen... (With hips, a pass is a pass to me, but I'm also trying to tighten hips by adding nothing higher than 4's.) They have both produced nice offspring, so I'm just going with personal preference in regard to type. Also, I really liked Junk, but WB is a lot more extreme than either of his parents. My very first breedings were with Matrix and one of his sons. I used to LOVE the wrinkle that those dogs possessed and how "typey" they were. Over the years, my tastes have changed, and I just don't like the extreme dogs anymore. LOVE them as puppies, but even when I have produced them, I don't end up keeping them past about 6 months... Just can't do it. So many people like the wide, exaggerated front ends... They don't realize that as the dog ages, they break down. I've seen dogs that were beautiful in their prime that can hardly even walk as they get older, and that is heart-breaking to watch. (Not pointing any fingers.. The dogs I've seen like that are unrelated to the dogs in this post.) Anyway, that's my vote- BMJ.

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4/23/2014 10:03 am  #18


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BHB wrote:

http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/winter2012/websize/bmjokluv.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/latewinter2011/small/huggymagnamious.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/latewinter2011/small/graciemegamuscle.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/summer2013/small/asylum-001.jpg

Thanks V for making it so easy.  These are the offspring that you think validate BMJ.  Huggy is dead, and had a weak temperament.  At first I chalked it up to socialization because that is what Vito said.  Later on, there is no doubt that it was genetic.  Gracie had median hips, and was the worst breather I ever had.  She has a great temp, but must live in doors basically or she would be a fatality.  Asylum had great hips and an amazing temperament.  But she heat stroked and was dead at 2-3 years of age. 

Can anyone post a WB offspring that has died??  Inbred Bullistic is not a great thing!!  As I said, it isn't even close.  You can't base a dogs breathing or worth off of a picture or type alone.  WB is far superior to his father in this regard.  That is why Junk was so vital!!  That is why outcrossing BH dogs is so vital.  Use them for the traits you like, but they must be outcrossed!!

 


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4/23/2014 10:14 am  #19


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  I am leaning towards the opposite, I believe it was a good choice of dogs to start things of with. Both dogs are 80% percent of threads so why not? Not everything has to have a hidden agenda in a board to sling Shizzy...The purpose of this thread is to get peoples opinion, simple what dog do they prefer or which dog is more you style? Most threads are on the owners making the case, not the general public. Reality is that minds don't think alike..This will not be the only poll, there will be a poll open every two weeks and then closed down and on to the next....I think its kinda of insightful to get others opinion without the actual owner making the post..They may not always be what you guessed it would be...I voted for WB cause of his porportions and it's more my style...The bag pipe video did it for me..LOL!!!


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4/23/2014 12:04 pm  #20


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CCB wrote:

BHB wrote:

http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/winter2012/websize/bmjokluv.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/latewinter2011/small/huggymagnamious.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/latewinter2011/small/graciemegamuscle.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/summer2013/small/asylum-001.jpg

Thanks V for making it so easy.  These are the offspring that you think validate BMJ.  Huggy is dead, and had a weak temperament.  At first I chalked it up to socialization because that is what Vito said.  Later on, there is no doubt that it was genetic.  Gracie had median hips, and was the worst breather I ever had.  She has a great temp, but must live in doors basically or she would be a fatality.  Asylum had great hips and an amazing temperament.  But she heat stroked and was dead at 2-3 years of age. 

Can anyone post a WB offspring that has died??  Inbred Bullistic is not a great thing!!  As I said, it isn't even close.  You can't base a dogs breathing or worth off of a picture or type alone.  WB is far superior to his father in this regard.  That is why Junk was so vital!!  That is why outcrossing BH dogs is so vital.  Use them for the traits you like, but they must be outcrossed!!

 

Troy you can't be honest  you have to react in you usual petty insecure fashion

Huggy died in a vets office from complications of limes disease
When he was alive and you could profit from him he was the greatest , you bred to him you froze his semen he was the greatest
Gracie you did the same you bred her twice
Two times you bred her to the bulliest studs that were not good breathers  . Back then you were selling her hard on all her positives. Of which she has many
No dog is perfect  but you want to proclaim that Wrecking Bull is and that he produces perfect????

You want to talk Shizzy about Go Bullistic but  Wrecking Bull's line bred Go Bullistic  everything you've had any noteworthy success is line breed Bullistic

But nothing you posted is the whole truth. It is just your insecurity of this post having anything positive to say about BMJ and BraveHeart


Love off
 

4/23/2014 12:12 pm  #21


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We will have many of these... with many of your dogs... yes you... the one reading this right now... will be up here... V we actually have several hundred pages of the back and forth and we know how you feel we did not start this to have you repeat what you have stated many times... we understand how you feel...
But this is a chance to hear the voters opinion... take it has a compliment...


Uncle Ish

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4/23/2014 12:22 pm  #22


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O'Sullivan wrote:

I thought this was a bit of a sh*tty choice of dogs lol. I do love to talk about the two of them, however the direction this is going to go juuuuust might be easy to predict lol...and you are a smart man, Ish..the traffic on this site will most definitely increase. No disrespect intended, surely you can see the obvious coincidence.

Of course... these 2 studs are the talk of this board... they get nip picked... there lenghts get broken down... lets kick it off with the obvious headliners... thats why they call things "grand openings" and the crazy thing is both studs are great animals... but lets hear what the voters say... thats what we really want besides the views of the main owners involved which are insightful has well... when not full of rage...
 


Uncle Ish

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4/23/2014 12:32 pm  #23


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4/23/2014 1:00 pm  #24


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O'Sullivan wrote:

I thought this was a bit of a sh*tty choice of dogs lol. I do love to talk about the two of them, however the direction this is going to go juuuuust might be easy to predict lol...and you are a smart man, Ish..the traffic on this site will most definitely increase. No disrespect intended, surely you can see the obvious coincidence.

 
Concur-- seams like a fire that just wants the same gas thrown.
I like Bmj front better I like bull as a producer.

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4/23/2014 1:53 pm  #25


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BHB wrote:

CCB wrote:

BHB wrote:

http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/winter2012/websize/bmjokluv.jpg


http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/latewinter2011/small/huggymagnamious.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/latewinter2011/small/graciemegamuscle.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/voodooambull/summer2013/small/asylum-001.jpg

Thanks V for making it so easy.  These are the offspring that you think validate BMJ.  Huggy is dead, and had a weak temperament.  At first I chalked it up to socialization because that is what Vito said.  Later on, there is no doubt that it was genetic.  Gracie had median hips, and was the worst breather I ever had.  She has a great temp, but must live in doors basically or she would be a fatality.  Asylum had great hips and an amazing temperament.  But she heat stroked and was dead at 2-3 years of age. 

Can anyone post a WB offspring that has died??  Inbred Bullistic is not a great thing!!  As I said, it isn't even close.  You can't base a dogs breathing or worth off of a picture or type alone.  WB is far superior to his father in this regard.  That is why Junk was so vital!!  That is why outcrossing BH dogs is so vital.  Use them for the traits you like, but they must be outcrossed!!

 

Troy you can't be honest you have to react in you usual petty insecure fashion

Huggy died in a vets office from complications of limes disease
When he was alive and you could profit from him he was the greatest , you bred to him you froze his semen he was the greatest
Gracie you did the same you bred her twice
Two times you bred her to the bulliest studs that were not good breathers . Back then you were selling her hard on all her positives. Of which she has many
No dog is perfect but you want to proclaim that Wrecking Bull is and that he produces perfect????

You want to talk Shizzy about Go Bullistic but Wrecking Bull's line bred Go Bullistic everything you've had any noteworthy success is line breed Bullistic

But nothing you posted is the whole truth. It is just your insecurity of this post having anything positive to say about BMJ and BraveHeart

Vito, please point out what I missed or didn't get right.  Huggy is DEAD and had a weak temp.  I do not have frozen semen on him and I never made a penny off that dog.  I gave him away for free and never collected a stud.  My frozen consists of BMJ, Gaucho and WB.  Gracie is the worse breather I ever owned.  I have nothing off of her, and will use nothing off of her in the future.  Asylum is DEAD, from heat stroke.  I have never said that WB is perfect, or that he produces perfect.  WB is just better than the other males I have had.  The truth is, the farther you get from Bullistic or Jacq the better the dogs become.  To you success if a dog like Asylum.  A dog with great hips and a great temperament.  But none of that matters when they are dead at 2 years of age.  Hell Shug was an amazing dog according to you.  She had great hips, a great temperament, over the top drive but couldn't breath. What happened to her??  Why are the Hampton's done with her and selling her son??  Just another breeder who found out all they needed to know about your dogs and went in another direction!!

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